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Webchat about bullying with Liam Hackett, founder of Ditch the Label - Wednesday 5 April, 9-10pm

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RachelMumsnet · 31/03/2017 17:02

We’re running a webchat on Wednesday 5 April at 9pm with Liam Hackett, founder of Ditch The Label who will be answering questions about all forms of bullying.

Ditch the Label, a leading anti-bullying charity based in the UK. They are also specialists in cyber-bullying. They recently launched an international campaign #TalkToYourBoys which aims to encourage young males to discuss their feelings or issues they are experiencing with parents or peers and how effective communication can be in helping boys navigate issues of bullying, poor self-esteem and mental health issues.

Join the webchat with Liam Hackett on Wednesday evening (9-10pm) or if you’re unable to make that time, post a question for Liam on this thread in advance.

Webchat about bullying with Liam Hackett, founder of Ditch the Label - Wednesday 5 April, 9-10pm
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RachelMumsnet · 05/04/2017 21:23

Here's a link to Ditch the Label's brilliant YouTube channel

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Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:25

@DaisyMae777

Do you have any tips for how to reply to bullies? My 9 year old daughter is called "weird" & "teacher's pet" & "cry baby" (even though she hasn't cried at school for years) & I wonder what she should say back to them without sinking to their level?

Great question DaisyMae777 and an interesting perspective. At Ditch the Label, we've done a lot of work to better understand the reasons why people bully. This is crucial because in understanding them, we're able to shape and change behaviours. In research, we've found that some of the most common reasons people bully others are:

  • As a coping mechanism for stress or trauma; such as bereavement, abuse at home and a martial breakup;
  • To project how their own low self-esteem and insecurities onto others;
  • In response to being bullied themselves, as a tool to rise up the "social hierarchy" as a protection mechanism.

We also know that some of the gratification for those who bully can be to feel powerful, socially included and to gain attention.

The reason I'm telling you this is because it's always important for the person being bullied to compassionately understand the motives behind the person bullying them. Suddenly your daughter is no longer the issue, there could be a whole range of issues the people bullying her are going through and that alone alleviates some of the trauma bullying creates.

In understanding a need to feel powerful or to gain attention for example, the best response is no response. To show that there is no impact. This can often disarm the person doing the bullying.

If your daughter feels able to and safe to do so, she could try approaching the person bullying her to tell them how it's making her feel and to ask them if they are okay. This needs to be done in a non-confrontational and equal way to work, so it may be worth asking a teacher to mediate between them both. We have a guide on how to speak to the person bullying you here: www.ditchthelabel.org/how-to-speak-to-somebody-who-is-bullying-you/.

I hope that this advice gives you some starter steps and discussion points for you and your daughter, please do get in touch with us and let us know how you get on. There isn't a 'one-size fits all' approach, but generally speaking this holistic approach is the most effective. The self-esteem of your daughter is crucial and it's great that she feels able to talk to you about these issues - trust is key and our studies show 1 in 2 statistically don't tell anybody they are being bullied, so that's a really great sign.

  • Liam
Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:25

@Magicpenny

Do you have any advice for parents of bullies? I'm pretty sure that my close friend's son (in same school as my kids) is pretty unkind to other kids in his year. I've seen him behaving in quite an intimidating way to other after school and wonder what advice I can offer to my friend to help her stop him doing this?

Hi Magicpenny, we always advise parents to have open an honest relationships with their children so that nothing is 'taboo' but it could be that your friend has no idea this is happening. If you are close enough to your friend and feel a conversation about it might be useful then it's a good idea to ask what you can do to help and offer your support. Equally she may welcome you asking so she can confide in you about any problems at home. This article is really helpful in understanding why people bully www.ditchthelabel.org/new-way-end-bullying/ and this one has excellent tips on talking to a teenage son www.ditchthelabel.org/10-tips-parents-speak-teenage-son/ - Sue

Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:33

@cowgirlsareforever

Hello. My eldest ds was the subject of some cyberbullying. He coped with it very well and even comforted the main bully when he got into trouble over it. The problem I have had (and I don't want to make this about me) is that whilst he seems to have got over it I am finding it hard to forgive the bullies. Their parents have been vile about it, even though their children have apologised to my ds. I feel like it has robbed me of my peace of mind. I worry constantly about him at school. It's a horrible, insidious thing to go through.

Hi cowgirlsareforever, it sounds like you've done all the right things in supporting your son and prioritising his needs. Outside of that it's important to make sure that you have people to speak to away from the situation so you can offload and share your concerns and allow yourself the time to process it. This could be friends, relatives or a counsellor - it will really help you maintain perspective if you are feeling, quite naturally on 'high alert'. Check in with your son in a natural way about how school is, how his friends are and try to avoid focusing too many conversations around the bullying as this will increase your stress. Looking after yourself and taking time to manage stress is vital - we have an excellent guide here: www.ditchthelabel.org/101-ultimate-ways-chill-reduce-stress/ - Sue

Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:34

@cowgirlsareforever

I find it hard to understand how bullies are often described as having been bullied or having a difficult life. The boys who bullied my ds were not bullied themselves and are the 'golden' boys of the school.

I can completely understand and relate to your question. As I mentioned earlier, I was bullied for 10 years at school. I was hospitalised, outed, beaten up continuously and by the end of it my esteem was on the floor. It's no surprise that I had a lot of anger towards those who had bullied me, which is the general consensus of society.

In a study we published last year called 'The Annual Bullying Survey 2016', we did something that had never been done before. We asked kids to tell us what they considered to be bullying. Then we asked them, if they had ever bullied anybody based on their definition. We then asked everybody a series of life-related questions - there were a ton; we wanted to understand what their relationships looked like and if they had issues at home or if they had experienced anything stressful or traumatic.

With this data, we created control groups to see how people answered the life-related questions differently based on their experience of bullying others. What we found was astounding and changed our entire perceptions of bullying.

The kids who were bullying were the most likely to come from hostile homes, the most likely to have lost a pet or loved on, the most likely to have parents going through a divorce. The list is endless.

We also found that the guys were more likely than girls to bully and to become physically violent. Think about it for a moment.

The second a little boy cries or shows emotion, he's often told to man up or stop being a girl. He learns early on that crying isn't allowed. So by the time he's 12 and he's going home to witness arguments between mum and dad, or has just lost his nan - he finds it difficult to cope with the emotions. His mechanic is to become abusive or violent because that's what he's been taught. This is why most crimes, bullying, sexual violence are instigated by men - because that's the role they're placed into.

With all of this information and knowledge, we're working hard to challenge things such as toxic masculinity. We actively help kids navigate through stressful and traumatic situations and we don't use the word 'bully' or 'victim', because bullying is a behaviour and not an identity.

If you're interested in finding out more, there are 2 really great reports I'd recommend for you here:

www.ditchthelabel.org/annual-bullying-survey-2016/

www.ditchthelabel.org/research-papers/masculinity-misogyny-digital-age/

So on the outside, the boys may seem to be okay, but they are less emotionally expressive than girls. It's difficult to know what's going on behind closed doors.

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MagicPenny · 05/04/2017 21:36

Thanks for your response. I do think my friend is in denial about her son and she gets very defensive when other people mention about his behaviour. I'm really impressed with your organisation and didn't know about it before this webchat. Do you do any work with schools?

Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:39

@SplitInfinitive

My nearly 11 year old daughter is being bullied. She's in her final year at primary and the girl who is doing the bullying has been so sly and secretive about the bullying, gathering in all my daughter's"former" friends and turning them against her. She seems so expert at manipulating situations. It's upset me that the form teacher didn't believe my daughter, or us, when we told the school. My daughter has been so stoical about it, wanting to just get through her SATS and get out but we're not sure we will even get to that point.

The school finally took us all seriously when there was another incident, but their approach has been almost to punish my daughter by keeping her in at breaktimes and lunchtimes, allowing the bully out and seemingly going unpunished. It doesn't seem right or fair to me, especially now that the weather is warm and sunny and she has to stay indoors. At least she is relatively safe at these times, but not in class where the bully can get to her still. I don't know how else we could handle it, other than take her out of school completely and home educate until secondary in September. Frustrating.

Hello SplitInfinitve,

So sorry to hear what your daughter has been through. Bullying behaviour coming from people who were once friends is extremely upsetting and painful. Well done for being proactive in the face of the form teacher dismissing your claims. It’s essential she feels heard and supported.

It’s not fair that she is the one indoors and there is no getting around that. But for now hopefully it will help to reduce her stress levels and give her a breather from the group. You mentioned that she is stoic about the situation. Have you hand on heart really listened to how she wants to deal with this? It’s very natural as parents to feel we know best but that can come at the cost of not hearing our child. You have done brilliantly in dealing with a very tricky situation so please don’t give yourself a hard time. For now keep reaching out for support and trust that you are doing everything you can.

The guides that I think would be helpful for your situation and for your daughter are:
www.ditchthelabel.org/top-10-tips-for-overcoming-bullying/
www.ditchthelabel.org/top-10-tips-of-overcoming-low-self-esteem/

Sending lots of support your way
Ellie

cowgirlsareforever · 05/04/2017 21:39

Thank you for the replies.

Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:40

@MagicPenny

Thanks for your response. I do think my friend is in denial about her son and she gets very defensive when other people mention about his behaviour. I'm really impressed with your organisation and didn't know about it before this webchat. Do you do any work with schools?

I can understand. Nobody wants to think of their child as somebody who bullies others. Liam just wrote about the reasons why people bully, and talks specially about boys in the above message here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/2892136-Webchat-about-bullying-with-Liam-Hackett-founder-of-Ditch-the-Label-Wednesday-5-April-9-10pm?watched=1&msgid=68126200# - this might be helpful.

We are primarily digital. We found that the majority of young people are now turning to search engines and social media for answers and advice and so being based primarily online helps us reach a lot of people who would otherwise be in the dark.

Having said that, we do work with schools and colleges in the UK on various campaigns and projects. For example, we run 'The Annual Bullying Survey', which is the largest benchmark of bullying research in the country in collaboration with schools and colleges across the UK.

We also have some really great Education Packs that we send out freely for educators - these are at: www.DitchtheLabel.org/educationpacks.

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Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:47

@Tarbucktwo

My daughter hasn't been exactly bullied but has recently been pushed out of her 'group'. She's devastated. They are in Year 8 at secondary School and so she feels like everyone else has made their friends now and it's impossible to join another group. I keep thinking things will get better but it's been getting worse since Christmas and she was so happy to be on holiday last week because she can get away from it. I find it difficult to know how I can help. She's desperate for me not to go up to School as she's worried she'll be seen as 'snitching' and it will make it worse. I can see what she means - I can't force this group of girls to like her if they don't. I do know one of the parents but am worried that if I contact them about it it will get back to my daughter and make things worse. Can you offer any advice for how to help her? It's causing so much stress and upset.

Hi Tarbucktwo, this can be difficult to navigate when friendships are so core to everything. It's important to boost her self-esteem as much as you can - this guide has some really useful tips www.ditchthelabel.org/top-10-tips-of-overcoming-low-self-esteem/ It can be really powerful to speak to the person pushing her out as it may be possible to resolve it www.ditchthelabel.org/how-to-speak-to-somebody-who-is-bullying-you/ Let her know that you're there and ready to support her in how she would like to deal with the situation. It's really great that she spoke to you about this as 1 in 2 statistically don't tell anyone so she obviously really trusts you. To 'go behind her back' may erode that. - Sue

RachelMumsnet · 05/04/2017 21:55

Thanks so much for giving over your time this evening to answer the questions Liam, Sue and Ellie and also for telling us about Ditch the Label and the great work you do. It's been really interesting hearing about your work and also the surveys, facts and helpful tips you've linked through to.

Thanks to everyone who joined the webchat - we hope you've found this helpful.

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Ditchthelabel · 05/04/2017 21:57

A huge thank you from all of us for your questions. Bullying statistically affects 1-in-2 young people and often the impact for parents and guardians is overlooked which is why we are here for you.

We would love to keep in touch, so please don't hesitate to keep in contact. Here are some useful links:

Ditch the Label's website
Support guides for parents/guardians
Help for teens

We believe in a world that is fair, equal and free from all types of bullying and it's an honour to be invited to join you in your community this evening.

Best wishes,

Liam, Sue and Ellie Smile

SouthWestmom · 07/04/2017 01:43

Hello

I've just read back and thank you very much for answering my question, that's really interesting and I shall take another look.

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