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Refugee crisis part 2

43 replies

GeekLove · 04/09/2015 20:49

This thread continues on from theremustbesomethings with respect to the worst refugee crisis since WWII.

Here is a summary of the OP:

We've donated to Save the Children, we've signed petitions on change.org and we've written to our MPs, but each of these feel like shouting into the wind. I have asked Mumsnet whether they would be willing to take up this cause and publicly throw their weight behind the request that these children and their parents be allowed into the UK as a temporary place of safety, and that the UK carry out rescue patrols of the sea. I know we're not a political forum, but for God's sake, we must be able to carry some sort of weight on humanitarian issues? In all honesty, I have no idea whether Theresa May would be a Mumsnetter, but I don't think she can afford to offend all of us, or our collective weight.

Mumsnet's record of success on issues which affect parents is pretty impressive. If this doesn't fall within that category, then what does? Please respond to show your support, and ask Mumsnet to take this up as an issue. If parents of small children sitting in ordinary houses and streets across the UK tonight are not willing to raise their hands and say that this has to stop right now, then who will do it?

Please respond (right now, right this instant, before you go off to make your cup of tea) and show your support to Mumsnet HQ. People spend time responding to threads about lions and goodness knows what else. Please, please take the time to respond to this, even if it's just to type the word "Supporting".

Here are some links for practical action:

The Independent: 5 ways you can help

UK Government Petition

Change.org petition.

Medecins Sans Frontiers

UNHCR Refugees appeal

Save the Children

Here is a link to discuss the logistics for those marching on the 12th

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2461404-Logistical-arrangements-for-refugee-march-on-12th

OP posts:
khuliloach · 07/09/2015 07:29

I agree with Nancy, why can't all this effort and goodwill go to help our own people? We just don't have room, other countries need to help the migrants

sleepyelectricsheep · 07/09/2015 07:59

khuliloach

  1. We do have room
  1. We have a moral obligation to help, not least because our own country is partly responsible for creating the conditions which led to pepole having to flee the middle east (we started wars, we sent arms, we had no plan for coherent plan for helping to rebuild Iraq after we invaded, we have helped create climate change which has driven huge numbers of Syrians off their land).
  1. If you are Christian, it's pretty clear what Jesus would have done. Help thy neighbour is a central Christian philosophy. Did you see the Pope's comments? He said every church and household should take in refugees.
  1. We are a rich coubtry. People are struggling in this country because this government are exploiting us, taking our money and giving it to the bankers and corporations and systematically destroying the welfare state . If you think people need more help vote this government put and replace it with one that cares about people not profits. Helping refugees is a seperate issue entirely. The government want you to blame immigrants and benefit scroungers if you are feeling the pinch so you don't point the finger at them.
theDudesmummy · 07/09/2015 08:51

"other countries need to help the migrants"

???? in this day and age and at this time?

What about the refugees then, who helps them? "Migrants" suggests a degree of free will and choice, and calling many of these people migrants is fuelling exactly that type of thinking. I was once a migrant, I migrated from one country to another because I wanted a specific educational experience and to live in a different place from the place I grew up because I thought it would be rewarding, interesting and more globally connected (and I was rght), I was not fleeing persecution and death and I had no right to expect, nor did I recieve, special treatment or dispensation. Refugees are a completely different matter. Shame on people who cannot understand this.

And why do "other countries" have more of an obligation than we do?

theresalsothis · 07/09/2015 09:48

An actual video of how migrants/refugees are treated by Hungarian police, shot outside the media glare:

www.facebook.com/glos.tamas/videos/1617304331856672/?fref=nf

khuliloach · 07/09/2015 09:51

yes I agree to help my neighbour. If you watch the news there are plenty of other countries who haven't taken any migrants, why is always our island. It doesn't make any sense to me

Seriouslyffs · 07/09/2015 09:56

Here's a link where you can register your practical support:
avaaz

Nancy I know the thread you mean and the OP got lots of support and practical offers of help. Compassion is not finite.

Rollermum · 07/09/2015 11:35

khuliloach it is patently not the case that it is 'always our island'.

There were 19.5 million refugees worldwide at the end of 2014, and developing countries host over 86% of the world’s refugees

In 2014, the country hosting the largest number of refugees was Turkey, with 1.59 million refugees, many of whom are Syrian. 95 per cent of Syrian refugees are located in surrounding countries. These facts are from the UNHCR.

This link has an absolutely staggering visual depiction of Syrian refugee intake around the world.

Theremustbesomething · 07/09/2015 15:20

The results of the Mumsnet survey are back. I'm afraid I don't know how to link but it's on the Mumsnet homepage.

theDudesmummy · 09/09/2015 19:39

Anyone who can get to north London and wants to donate items to Samara's Appeal (see their website for info, they have specific criteria for what they want), I will be taking things to one of their collectors in Hertfordshire in a couple of weeks and can take other people's donations too, please PM me if you want details.

cocothomas1234 · 09/09/2015 20:14

My fianc?? and I are doing a walk and half marathon for the Refugee crisis xx If anyone wants to help us no amount is too small xx please please

www.justgiving.com/graceandandy

Refugee crisis part 2
cocothomas1234 · 09/09/2015 22:29

They don't 'want to come here' they simply don't have a choice. Their homeland and their homes have been bombed and their children are being raped and murdered, they would rather their kids face probable death travelling tens of thousands of miles to countries they know they aren't welcome too than stay where they are, can you even comprehend what is going through a parents mind to make them risk their childs life like that and what they must be fleeing to do that?

I was unfortunate enough to visit Syria 2 years ago, that was 2 years after the conflict began and 2 years before it got THIS bad, I never dreamt anywhere on earth could be that horrific, I wish to god I hadn't seen the things I had but I am also grateful I did because I now really desperately want to help. No child on earth should have to be brought up in those conditions. The government give over ??80million a year to our homeless and a large majority of them simply refuse to work, it's only a very small minority who genuinely can't make a better life for themselves with some effort. Their lives are paradise compared to what these people are coming from. Google children in the Syrian Conflict and look at the photos before you start accusing these people of taking over our country and abusing our system.

Also, the UKs population is 70 million+, letting in 20k refugees isn't going to make the grounbreaking difference people seem to think, if we should let in anyone it should be these genuine asylum seekers, if you want to have a moan then moan about the hundreds of thousands of brits faking their illnesses and living off of your tax because they can't be bothered to work. Or the homeless people who intact earn more money than you and me, there are plenty of them in London earning ??20+ per hour and that's been proven for years.

There's plenty of things to moan about in this world but these poor families are not one of them.

cocothomas1234 · 09/09/2015 22:37

Here's the governments 'dealing with homelessness in the UK' initiative. So go on?? carry on saying they aren't doing anything -

The Department for Communities and Local Government is committed to preventing and tackling homelessness and rough sleeping, supported by ??400 million funding over this Parliament.

Our first priority on homelessness is prevention. In June 2010 we established a cross-government working group on homelessness, bringing together ministers from 8 government departments. The group works to improve the lives of those who do become homeless and helps rough sleepers to stay off the streets.

In December 2011 we announced a further ??18.5 million funding for local councils to prevent homelessness. This will help local councils ensure nobody is turned away without clear and useful advice when they??re most in need. We??ve also given Crisis ??13 million to help find single homeless people, including priority groups such as recovering drug users and ex-offenders, find stable, privately rented accommodation.

We??re investing an additional ??1.7 million in a new scheme to support local councils to deliver a Gold Standard homelessness prevention service. The peer-led support scheme will provide free training and support to help homelessness teams learn from each other. It will be run by the National Practitioner Support Service and supported by the National Homelessness Advice Service.

We helped with the national roll out of No Second Night Out through the ??20 million Homelessness Transition Fund and continue to support the government-backed hotline and web service Streetlink.

In February 2014 we published the fourth annual statistical release following the introduction of revised guidance on evaluating the extent of rough sleeping. The figures revealed that nearly 2,500 people sleep out across England on any given night.

We??re working with the Cabinet Office on the Fair Chance Fund - a ??15 million payment by results programme. The prgramme targets young, homeless people (mainly 18 to 24 year olds) with difficult which if left unaddressed, are likely to lead to long-term benefit dependency, health problems and increased crime.

We have also worked with the voluntary sector to develop the ??Youth Accommodation Pathway?? which helps young people to remain in the family home where it is safe to do so and offers tailored support options for those that can??t.

We??re working with the Department of Health on their ??40 million capital funding programme for homelessness hostel refurbishment and shared accommodation for vulnerable young people in 2015 to 2016. The homeless hostels investment will extend the DCLG Homelessness Change Programme with an additional focus on improving health.

We are providing funding and support to homelessness charities Crisis and St Mungos Broadway over 2 years to give the most vulnerable homeless people in London the right skills and training to get into work through the STRIVE (skills, training, innovation and employment) pilot.

theDudesmummy · 10/09/2015 13:21

Yes, saying anyone "wants" to do something infers a degree of choice/free will. Many refugees do not have a choice (if they want to live or want their children to live with any human dignity)

Rollermum · 13/09/2015 13:51

This is a fairly urgent action if anyone is interested. The situation in Hungary is now really dire - lots of people sleeping out in the open and very ill as a result of this combined with months of poor food. Young children in particular are suffering as a result of exposure in cold temperatures. The government there are doing absolutely nothing to help and are planning to close the border on 14/15th September.

There is a great initiative run by Help Us to Help in Hungary who are buying train tickets (amongst other things) for refugees to leave Hungary whilst the border is still open (which may only be until 14th September). See instructions on how to donate on their Facebook page and here. As their instructions are quite lengthy and complex, money for tickets can just be sent to [email protected] via PayPal which is what I have done.

I can't personally vouch for them but the sheer level of detail, photos etc suggest they are legit and given the situation I like to think a little bit of my money will help. On the ground in Budapest they are co-operating with a local organisation - SEAM - who assist refugees, work with donations and coordinate volunteers. They are also collecting donations and a range of items, see the above links for information.

Theremustbesomething · 13/09/2015 17:28

Great idea - thanks Rollermum.

Rollermum · 17/09/2015 10:09

Anyone upset and appalled by the treatment of refugees in Hungary please consider sending a letter to their embassy in UK. How to do this here. Please share and circulate.

LunaLodbrok · 07/11/2015 16:22

It is wonderful that people want to donate. However, the UNHCR, Red Cross and at times Save the Children, have all been rather ineffective at helping refugees. Please see

www.facebook.com/groups/UNHCRstories/

www.facebook.com/groups/1495279290770388/

It iscommendable that people, as well as authors, want to help. However, the best way to help is to donate directly to volunteer groups.

LunaLodbrok · 07/11/2015 17:48

I think someone from The Worldwide Tribe that have been helping the people at Calais would be a great person for a webhat.

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