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Should MN support a BPAS call for non-protest 'buffer zones' outside abortion clinics? Tell MNHQ what you think

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RowanMumsnet · 20/11/2014 14:47

Hello all

We've been contacted by the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, who want to know whether Mumsnet can support a call they're going to make for buffer zones around abortion clinics - and as ever we'd like to run it past MNers to see what you think.

Here's what BPAS say:

'Over recent years there has been an escalation in anti-abortion activity outside clinics in the UK. Women attending pregnancy advice and abortion centres are now regularly exposed to groups of anti-abortion activists standing directly outside. Many of these protesters bear large banners of dismembered foetuses, distribute leaflets containing misleading information about abortion, and follow and question women as they enter or leave the centres. Often, these people carry cameras strapped to their chests or positioned on a tripod. Women report feeling intimidated and distressed by this activity as they try to access a lawful healthcare service in confidence. Pregnant staff at clinics have on occasion needed escorting from the building by the police. Recently, NHS staff on premises where a clinic is located have felt so intimidated by the presence outside they have asked for the abortion service to be withdrawn. The closure of a service as a result of anti-abortion activity would be unprecedented.'

'We believe enough is enough.'

'One in three women will have an abortion in her lifetime. We are a society which values freedom of speech, but also one where the vast majority of us support a woman’s access to abortion services. The right to protest needs to be balanced with the right of pregnant women to obtain advice and treatment in confidence and free from intimidation. For those who wish to campaign to restrict women’s reproductive choices, there are plenty of opportunities and locations in which to do so. The space immediately outside a clinic need not and should not not be one of them.'

'Women should feel confident that they can approach centres for advice and services without fear of intimidation, or anxious that their identity will be compromised by protesters filming outside. Establishing access zones free from anti-abortion activists around clinics would provide the reassurance and security women need. We urge all political parties to act to protect women as they make their own personal decision about their pregnancy. Women deserve nothing less.'

We know MNers tend to feel fairly strongly about abortion and that there are views on both sides of this debate - so do please let us know what you think.

Thanks

MNHQ

OP posts:
RowanMumsnet · 21/11/2014 10:37

Morning all

Thanks very much - near unanimous!

We will see if we can get a response for you on the questions about precedent and how such a ruling might work.

OP posts:
Graciescotland · 21/11/2014 10:46

I'd totally support this.

CruCru · 21/11/2014 11:03

Yes, please support this.

Dawndonnaagain · 21/11/2014 11:12

Absolutely 100%. For many of the reasons stated so often.

DeliciousIrony · 21/11/2014 12:52

Absolutely support this.

hoobypickypicky · 21/11/2014 13:15

I completely support this. I believe in free speech, not in pro-lifers' intimidation tactics.

Mmmfishandchips · 21/11/2014 13:44

support this

Booter · 21/11/2014 13:49

Yes I absolutely support this!

aintnothinbutagstring · 21/11/2014 14:39

It is a great idea, not only to protect women accessing the service but to protect the staff that provide it, and also to reduce disruption to residents that live near the clinics. Also, hope the buffer zone is indeed large enough to keep these awful protesters away.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 21/11/2014 14:45

Yes. But the police should also be enforcing public order offences against any protestor who engages in "cat calls and spitting and horrible name calling" (because it is criminal). You can protest all you like, but that behaviour is not necessary.

Sarine1 · 21/11/2014 19:38

Another unqualified yes!

christinarossetti · 21/11/2014 20:22

I'm not sure that anyone is trying to 'make a crime out of conscience'.

People who oppose abortion, contraception etc for their own individual reasons should indeed have the right to not be harrassed and abused about their own personal 'conscience' and practice.

And so should those with other views.

Terramirabilis · 21/11/2014 20:33

As someone who is ardently pro-life, it saddens me to hear about people being subjected to abuse and intimidation in this way. There are organizations here in the US who are present outside clinics to offer support to women and let them know about resources that can be of practical help to them if they change their minds about abortion without name-calling and threats of the kinds described by pps. If protestors limited themselves to that it would be a great help.

However, I am also so sad to see pages and pages of people on this thread who are pro-choice. Where are the pro-life mnetters? Perhaps we're not wanted...

teawamutu · 21/11/2014 20:59

I think there are plenty of pro-life Mnetters, but maybe they're mostly nice (like you seem) so won't be piling in here to insist on their right to intimidate pregnant women?

As to whether you're not wanted: if your feelings about abortion are basically you knowing you'd never have one, then I respect that entirely and I'm very much pro-choice.

The pro-lifers I do have a problem with are the pro-forced birth ones who want control over other people's bodies.

flippinada · 21/11/2014 21:11

Terra

If you're pro-life for yourself, then that's fine. If you feel sad that these centres exist and would prefer them not to, that's also fine - where it crosses a line is seeking to impose your views on others who feel differently and control what they do with their bodies.

flippinada · 21/11/2014 21:13

teawamutu I can assure you there are lots of pro-life MNetters, I've had many a discussion with them.

ReinholdMessner · 21/11/2014 21:20

terra most posters on this thread don't indicate whether they're pro-life, merely whether they want MNto support the BPAS motion.

Parietal · 21/11/2014 21:29

yes, fully support this

TheCraicDealer · 21/11/2014 21:34

The successful prosecution of Bernadette Smyth of Precious Life literally made my week. She honestly thinks she's doing these women a favour, and I'm sick of seeing her factually incorrect posters in and around the city centre at the weekend.

However, as I was looking for this link I found this story about a peaceful (and silent) protest this week, held by the supporters of Mairia Cahill. This is a woman raped as a teenager by a high ranking member of a paramilitary and subjected to a kangaroo court, which of course found her attacker not guilty and sent on his merry way; those who she claims made this decision are now MP's or MLA's.

Whilst I want to get individuals like Bernadette Smyth away from vulnerable women, I don't want to be placing people like Cahill's supporters in a position where they may be prosecuted or prevented from carrying out an effective protest. TLDR- yes, but would want to wait until the drafted legislation is 100%.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 21/11/2014 21:47

I support it.

2andout · 21/11/2014 21:58

Yes absolutely 1000% yes. I would be wholeheartedly behind this campaign.

frumpypigskin · 21/11/2014 22:47

yes!

foslady · 21/11/2014 22:56

Another Yes please vote - it's not a protest it's intimidation

nerdsgirl · 21/11/2014 23:24

I support this 100%
There is a fine line between protest and intimidation.

PetulaGordino · 22/11/2014 05:13

Yes my full support here

Not the time or the place for protest (or even handing out leaflets trying to change women's minds IMO. as that is being done with an agenda and not thinking about that individual woman's needs)