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'We need compulsory sex education to teach young people about sexual consent and respectful relationships'

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RowanMumsnet · 27/01/2014 11:12

Hello

As some of you may have noticed, we're featured on the front page of the Times this morning because we've co-signed a letter supporting the compulsory teaching of SRE in all state-funded schools.

Some aspects of sex ed are part of the national curriculum, but you've told us in the past that you think sex and relationships education needs to be compulsory and cover many more areas than it currently does.

Here's the full text of the letter, for those without a Times log-in:

'Dear Sir/Madam,

Tomorrow [28 January], the House of Lords will consider a vital amendment to the Children & Families Bill which would make it compulsory for all state-funded schools in England to teach sex and relationships education (‘SRE’) including sexual consent and respectful relationships.

We are a group of parents, academics, teachers, lawyers, women’s groups and child safety experts who are calling on Peers across the benches to support this amendment as a critical child protection measure.

It is a sad fact that girls in the UK experience high levels of sexual and other abuse from boyfriends, friends and family members. One in three girls experiences ‘groping’ or other unwanted sexual touching at school and there are ongoing trials of men and boys for ‘grooming’ and sexual exploitation of vulnerable girls in towns and cities across the country. We are still lifting the lid on the scale of abuse of women and girls by Savile and others under Operation Yewtree.

Schools should be places where children feel safe and supported, and where they are helped to develop healthy and respectful attitudes and behaviours. Unfortunately this is not the case at present and we have seen a swathe of reports and cases highlighting how tackling abuse and exploitation is extremely patchy in our schools. This is woefully inadequate in an age of one-click-away violent and degrading pornography online that is becoming the default sex-educator for some young people.

The proposed amendment by Baroness Maggie Jones and Baroness Beverley Hughes would ensure that children are taught about sexual consent, and learn how to develop consensual and respectful relationships. In a sexualised and sexist culture, we are simply storing up problems for the future if we do not give young people this essential information.

There is already cross party consensus on the need to prevent violence against women and girls before it begins but very little action to achieve this. Compulsory sex and relationships education would be a vital first step on this road.

Letter signed by: Justine Roberts, Mumsnet; Polly Neate, Women’s Aid; Holly Dustin, End Violence Against Women Coalition; Professor Liz Kelly, Child and Woman Abuse Studies Unit; Marai Larasi, Imkaan; Laura Bates, Everyday Sexism; Lee Eggleston, Rape Crisis England and Wales; Professor Clare McGlynn, University of Durham; Dr Miranda Horvath, Middlesex University; Sandra Horley, Refuge; Carlene Firmin, MsUnderstood; Kristina Massey, Canterbury Christ University; Mia Scally, Middlesex University

'We need compulsory sex education to teach young people about sexual consent and respectful relationships'
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CraftyBuddhist · 04/02/2014 22:38

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pointythings · 04/02/2014 22:53

Exactly, Craftybuddhist. I am very far from advocating abstinence only sex education, but giving young people the strength and self esteem to say no if they are not happy is vital. This is a key part of sex ed in the Netherlands - dealing with peer pressure and partner pressure. Which is one of the reasons why the age of first intercourse is higher there than here in the UK. Understanding the influence of porn and sexualized imagery is a key part of that.

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HoratiaDrelincourt · 05/02/2014 04:01

I would hope that someone teaching "don't do it until you're married" would also discuss what consent looks and feels like.

pointythings · 05/02/2014 08:41

I agree with everything you've said, Crafty. One of the many things covered when I had sex ed in the Netherlands was the difference between the male and female orgasm and that piv sex did not normally do it for women. We also covered homosexuality, fetishism, BDSM - the whole spectrum, all of it framed in the context of strong, committed relationships.

I think equipping young people to say no to sex is hugely important. It's just that equipping them to do that and nothing more is not going to cut it.

Horatia you've put your finger on the thoughts I had last night after I went to bed. Without really comprehensive compulsory sex education that goes far beyond the mechanics of reproduction, we run the risk that there will be a (probably relatively small) group of young people who are taught at home that they don't have the right to say no.

WeekendsAreHappyDays · 05/02/2014 09:58

The thing is even if the goverent agrees - the reality will be far different from the proposals.

No money will go into it.

I am already teaching my 4 year old basics as she asks and for me conversations around sex include arousal and knowing your body is ready (teens).

I don't trust the system we have now never mind to handle such a delicate matter.

pointythings · 05/02/2014 11:13

Agreed, Weekends. The kind of sex and relationship education we badly need cost money and there will be none.

Kudos to you for answering your DD's questions openly and honestly. If all parents did that, we would not have a problem at all. I don't trust the system either.

WeekendsAreHappyDays · 05/02/2014 13:24

How can we expect people who aren't educated thenselves to educate our children.

for example I've always taught mine that their vagina and penis are private - it they want to touch them to do it alone. But I've always been worried about the making them feel wrong aspect - I recently read an article about this that suggested telling them you know it feels nice and that it is ok so I include that - but I've only recently learned that

Surely the teachers are only going to be as good as their own awareness and knowledge?

Custardo · 05/02/2014 13:25

it should be a parents role, parents should get the training, how many facets of childrearing should teachers take on? with fewer resources and larger class sizes

Clonakiltylil · 09/02/2014 19:07

I completely agree with this campaign. Too many children are completely unaware of what's right and what isn't and thanks to the media promoting an image of women and girls as sexual objects it will continue to be like that until we, as a worldwide society, sort it out.
Custardo - you are right, it should be a parents role, but unfortunately many parents neglect this topic, and so it, like many aspects of parenting, fall to teachers. I wish that were not the case but unfortunately it is.

pointythings · 10/02/2014 09:23

I agree that in an ideal world, parents would get the training - but then you're in the realm of compulsory parenting classes for all, and that is a whole fresh can of worms...

cory · 11/02/2014 09:56

I don't see why this is intervening between parents and children any more than the other aspects of selfcare that are already taught in schools. My children are already taught about alcohol and smoking and various aspects of hygiene and health care. That doesn't mean I can't tell them what I think is important at home. It doesn't mean that I can't tell them something different. If I don't agree with what the history teacher tells them (and that has been known Wink) I will tell them so. It's not the end of the world. And not a reason for not teaching history.

And why would my children (from a functional and loving family) be disadvantaged by being taught about things that may affect other children- or which may affect them later on? Should I protest about them being taught about world poverty in geography because we are not poor so it doesn't affect them? I want my children to grow up understanding and empathetic and willing to see beyond the narrow confines of their own life.

Besides, how on earth do I know what will happen to my children in the future? Plenty of children from loving functional families end up in abusive marriages because they have never been warned.

HoratiaDrelincourt · 11/02/2014 09:58

cory

+1

pointythings · 11/02/2014 11:19

What cory said.

HomeHelpMeGawd · 19/02/2014 20:43

Don't worry, statesmom, when Westminster teaches your son about sex and consent and relationships and masturbation and all that good stuff, you can rest assured that it's not being done by agents of the state, so it'll all be fine.

I really think you'd be much happier educating your son in America, where people are much more likely to share your beliefs about the role of the state, sex ed in schools, the acceptability of trying to buy a place in a school, etc etc. Here in godforsaken Blighty, there's just you, Paul Dacre and dear old Ruth Lea ploughing that particular furrow. Well, there's also Mel Phillips I suppose, but she's really just her STBX-Master's voice.

abbie21 · 21/03/2014 16:27

Hi there,
I am conducting research as part of my undergraduate degree into the attitudes and opinions of parents about sex education. From reading some of your comments it looks as though you have some great ideas - I would be extremely grateful if you could spare a few minutes of your time to fill out this questionnaire: www.isurvey.soton.ac.uk/10850

Thanks in advance!

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