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Stop the Abolition of DLA

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Glitterknickaz · 16/01/2011 13:19

The government are proposing to get rid of DLA in favour of PIP. full consultation here

Riven started a fantastic thread in Chat with the very pertinent point that this applies to everyone, that every one of us could be just one step from disability themselves.

There is NOTHING in the media about this. These proposals could mean poverty for the disabled and their families in this country. It could leave some in residential care completely isolated from their families and support networks through the removal of the mobility component.

My family has already been hit three times through the NHS, education and aiming high, via the cuts, if they now remove the money from our pockets we are going to be in a heat or eat situation.

Please MNHQ do something, as many are oblivious to these proposals and what they will mean, including those who themselves already claim DLA.

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BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:21

fear is the reason children don't go out and play any more, fear is the reason londoners are petrified of terrorists when they are more likely to win the lottery than get blown up

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:22

fear is rarely based in fact

MmeLindt · 25/01/2011 15:23

Bill
It is a lovely thought, and very Big Society, but the reality is that many don't even take time NOW to help out neighbours. Do you really think that is likely to change?

DLA provides the means for people with disabilities to get to work - eg. in an adapted car.

Do you think that that person should have to rely on the kindness of a neighbour to get to work? What about when the neighbour is on holiday, or is ill?

It is the means to be independent, non-reliant on others.

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:24

i was in NY on 9/11 and i will not be afriad

Rhydian · 25/01/2011 15:27

BillBarton

A website to register time like freecycle... yes, very Big Society. Can you guarantee that enough people will volunteer enough time to meet the needs of 3.1 million DLA claimants?

What about aids and adaptations? How will volunteer time help buy those? Will the volunteers suply special diets as well.

As for fear, don't you consider that it is well-founded fear?

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:28

yep the problem does sit firmly in societies hands, so change it, independance, what is that realy, no man is an island and there are good people out there. i say no man is an island except perhaps me, so if you want to know about lonely and despair try me

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:29

grew up on Prosobee, allergic to all animal milk, a soya based fortified substitue, tasted like puke, but it was free, happy days

judyblueeyes3 · 25/01/2011 15:31

I get where you're coming from Bill, but it simply isn't feasible that everyone is in the situation to ask for or get help from neighbours, or even family. And more importantly, there is a person's emotional well-being to consider too. Believe it or not, most people would feel very uncomfortable asking a stranger to attend to their toilet needs, or bathe them etc.. A relationship of trust, backed by references etc has to be put in place before that is ok. I would even feel really uncomfortable with my sister doing those things for me, let alone a neighbour. My neighbours do help me out with cutting my grass, putting my bins out etc, but I wouldn't feel I could ask for more than that. Most people have a limit to what they can cope with.. and I feel if I asked for more I would be pushing beyond that limit and may lose all help by doing that. DLA means I don't have to go through all the weighing up of all of these issues every time I need something. It allows me some dignity.

Rhydian · 25/01/2011 15:32

Change society? How? Do you have some mid-control technique?

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:35

maybe because i had my dignity stripped away at an early age this is something i find difficult to understand and find less of a barrier in getting on in life, after all dignity, fear, trust are all subjective and as all emotions are, are the responsibility of the person who has them no one else

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:37

no not change society, change your society. look i cannot believe that there is nothing you can do, no one you can ask. i am certainly not your enemy

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:41

Rhydian, when are you going to stop having a pop at me? i have never insulted anyone directly have i?

Rhydian · 25/01/2011 15:41

BillBarton

Don't believe it then. Spare us your meandering reflections on life. Thank you and goodbye.

Rhydian · 25/01/2011 15:45

BillBarton

I am not having a pop. I just fail to understand why you are bothering to contribute given that you have no interest in the topic.

Your views are noted. Nevertheless, most people on this thread recognize that losing DLA would be a disaster for some.

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:45

tell you what i'll set up a yahoo group that allows people to ask for help with a specific task either on a one off a basis or with some frequency, as freecycle does, no exchange of money, all people who come forward must register and if things go wrong, as they will, it will be recorded, fuck it, do it youselves

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:46

i know what most people think here but i disagree, next

ThisIsANiceCage · 25/01/2011 15:47
BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:47

it doesn't have to be a disaster.

MmeLindt · 25/01/2011 15:49

Ok. Bill. I don't have the time and energy to spare right now, so I will wish you a happy and fulfilling life and bid you farewell.

BillBarton · 25/01/2011 15:53

take care

Peachy · 25/01/2011 16:07

'life for all of us is about creating options, full stop

'

Sucha s perhaps the business I have started; the business DH started; the MA I have almost completed in the boy's disability...?

Of course we all do that. But DLA isn;t for that: DLA is to pay for the carpet one wrecked so the LL doesn;t throw us out, the pass to the activity place that's safe with locked doors, the specialist swimming centre and the respite. The car that means I can access their schools which are in very different aplces and completely off bus route. Move to the school area? ha- the two we need are miles apart.

Would SSD take the boys? nope, they would take their siblings as foster care is far cheaaper for NT kids: though how anyone who is a parent could think we could hand over any of our children willingly is beyond me tbh.

Set up your group, I can;t have the people ehre as ds1 is aggressive and trained help only, but it's a good idea. heck I was a volunteer manager fr a while. But it's not ransom allocation of roles- ds3 needs someone who can use pECS; ds1 someone skilled in restraint; others people who can change a stoma bag, read braille.... equally there are lots of taks that can be met by almost anyone that need doing but you know, I spent years of my life recruiting for just those and with some notable and wonderful exceptions, most people have reasons why they are not already offering help. And good reasons: My aprents? freec are to my Grandad; Sisters? Work shifts and share chidlcare with their DH's. DH? Self employed, works whenever he can get it. Me? I tried, could never be relaible enough.

It is a good idiea; gor for it, I wish you luck. Just- don;t over estimate your chances of finding it easy OK? If two charities I worked for with big name presence struggled, then... well, I hope you manage it. FWIW I know the volunteer recruitment service in Gwent runs a similar scheme so you might want to look there for model forms etc?

Oh and the other flaw in your ideas? there aren't enough foster carers. Short of stacking the kids back in inhumane homes (and before you rant, I am old enough to have started in nursing before they vanished) nobody wants them. And that won't improve as I know some councils werelooking at reducing support for foster carers, to no financial support at all in some cases.

I don't use many of the technically available resources becuase I source them from my boy's DLA and that is not dead money: teh single mum we use for respite, the childminder we also buy time from..... private enterprise replacing state services in fact. We don;t get anything from SSD beyond the summer scheme that NT kids here have equal rights to access. We had school support and I repaid that in kind by reading with other classes. But it is the DLA that keeps us afloat and allows us to fund the boy's needs etc: take that away and we will become a bigger state burden- lost elase equals state housing as nobody else will rent to self employed people at start up stage; SSD comfirm this. HA confirm this. LA housing means we are not permitted to carry on opur businesses from teh address- more dependency.

A damn site more expensive than what we are getting now, and far more trapping too.

Glitterknickaz · 25/01/2011 16:11

Very nice sentiment. I'd love it if I had neighbours that were willing to help care for my children. But I don't so therefore I have to do it myself. My husband has to help as it is physically impossible to be in two places at once (ie hospital and school runs frequently clash, two hospital appointments at same time in two different locations). Bear in mind my kids often have 3-4 appointments a week, plus school. Plus mentally being a carer for three children with significant and complex additional needs is incredibly draining, and I have admitted several times I have needed treatment for depression for it.

Therefore, until this situation changes yes I will be reliant on benefits. It is not a case of being unwilling to help myself or ask for outside help, it's my reality. If I lose these benefits due to loss of DLA then I am in no position to help myself. I don't see why this is a difficult concept to grasp.

I spent many years in work before having the children and I intend to do so again if they are able to be fully independent (we're not sure whether they will be or not yet). It doesn't sit easily with me to be on benefits, it is a necessity and I am frightened that we will be left in poverty - yes poverty - if this money goes. We have literally nothing else.

I was having a conversation with the HT at the kids' school this afternoon and she asked why on earth the govt do not focus on benefits with a much higher fraud rate first, those which do not require the vast raft of evidence that DLA requires.

Of course I can't claim to know but it's my suspicion that the very reason is that the disabled are perceived to be unable to fight back.

So yes, some may feel my sentiments dramatic, but who wouldn't be faced with the situation that you may not be able to feed or house your children?

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Rhydian · 25/01/2011 16:18

Peachy and Glitterknickaz

Thanks for those posts - hope Bill gets it now.

Peachy · 25/01/2011 16:34

Hmm, think not somehow- old WilliamBarton has been about trying to upset but not actually listening for a few days: whether or not he shortens his anme Wink (poor attempt at friendly spin I wonder?)

Of course opposing the current system is his right: I suggest an intelligent person (EQ) could at least empathise with fears and understand them, not dismiss them: EQ is hugely important after all.

It's my CA that paid for the MA that enabled me to register to go self employed from the 1st Feb btw. I think that says a lot myself. About how it's a hugely useful benefit. It took a few eyars to get abck on our feet- ds1 was diagnosed in 2006, ds3 picked up six months later (ouch) but i find that in many famillies: time to get back on their feet is a huge key.

Glitterknickaz · 25/01/2011 17:00

Peachy nah the namechange is due to the previous incarnation having been banned for personal attacks against me.

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