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Stop the Abolition of DLA

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Glitterknickaz · 16/01/2011 13:19

The government are proposing to get rid of DLA in favour of PIP. full consultation here

Riven started a fantastic thread in Chat with the very pertinent point that this applies to everyone, that every one of us could be just one step from disability themselves.

There is NOTHING in the media about this. These proposals could mean poverty for the disabled and their families in this country. It could leave some in residential care completely isolated from their families and support networks through the removal of the mobility component.

My family has already been hit three times through the NHS, education and aiming high, via the cuts, if they now remove the money from our pockets we are going to be in a heat or eat situation.

Please MNHQ do something, as many are oblivious to these proposals and what they will mean, including those who themselves already claim DLA.

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ThisIsANiceCage · 23/01/2011 18:57

If anyone has the stomach for it, this is where the cuts to disabled benefits originate.

The Freud Report, 2007

"the government has set itself a long term aim of 80% employment. By historical and international standards this is clearly an ambitious aspiration ? probably the most ambitious made in the area of employment policy. Only one country in the world, Iceland, has employment substantially above 80%."

"The Department has said in its Green Paper that, in order to achieve 80% employment:
? the lone parent employment rate would need to increase to 70%;
? the incapacity benefits caseload would need to reduce by one million;
? the number of older workers in employment would need to increase by one million." [ie work past current retirement ages]

The 80% objective has not been amended since the recession started.

Note SAHM-by-choice, trust-fund kids and ladies who lunch are not part of this scheme. The 80% working must come out of people who have some barrier to work.

Because apparently benefits cause people to be sick, so cutting them is doing sick people a favour. They have statistics to show that people on sickness benefits are poorer and sicker than people who work. Who'da thort it, eh?

It's not just cause-and-effect they have the wrong way round: the sums are probably wrong. They assume people taken off Incapacity Benefit/ESA will become full-time workers paid the median wage, and pay appropriate tax. But this is fantasy: where are all these magical jobs and charitable employers? The ones complained about on MN for by people scared their third bout of flu will get them sacked? Ha bloody ha.

Another document:
"No one written off: reforming welfare to reward responsibility" 2008.
Exactly what it says on the tin: if you don't show responsibility by getting better, you will be punished not be rewarded.

And here's the literature review the other papers keep citing:
"IS WORK GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH AND WELL-BEING?" 2006.
It actually only surveys "mild/moderate mental health, musculoskeletal and cardio-respiratory conditions", but is continually cited as though it applied to all illness and disability (cancer, spinal injuries, MS...).

David Freud was a banker freelancing for Labour when he wrote and advised on this stuff; he's now a Tory peer.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 19:00

gawd thats sickening

DS3 can't even say responsibility let alone practive it FFS.

MissQue · 23/01/2011 19:15

Indeed, I have a 14 year old girl who has the learning age of around 18-24 months. My two year old niece has more advanced social skills and speech than she does. How the hell is she meant to take on the responsibility of an adult? She will always be childlike and needing a high level of care, she simply can't be expected to go and work anywhere.

Hossylass · 23/01/2011 19:33

This is a nice cage - nice research :)

I have read all those reports and more, and I am throwing them back in the face of the government via their consultation.

If you look the work is good for you report originated at Cardiff uni in a research department sponsored by Unum Provident.
Unum Provident are specialists in denying health insurance payout in the USA.
The lima software that ATOS use is theirs, only made stricter.
Unum have been decried by the USA government, and effectively warned off.
Atos also were involved in the "Woodstock-maligerers" meeting. (Goggle it).
The people who attended this are a mixture of DWP, Unum, Cardiff uni, Atos atc. You need a brain the size of a planet to see all the dubious relationships, but you can google each person - and then wish you didn't.

Anyone who says this isn't a concerted attack on the disabled of this country want their head examined (in the nicest possible way!).

Their persistance of putting the cause and effect back to front is legendary now.

For example Dave's Big Society assumes that society will be there when the state pulls out. That all transport will be accessible, all work places accessible, all employers welcoming, jobs available for all, and families and friends and your local community will care for free.

Thanks for highlighting those reports, I am truely exhausted by this fight, which for me started before ESA was implemented.
I have to admit to being a bit emotional the last few days, and I think its relief that I have found a huge number of people who are
concerned and keen to help.

Thank you all.

crazypanda · 23/01/2011 19:34

you have a really bad attitude mumsnet should ban all your useless patronising remarks.

ThisIsANiceCage · 23/01/2011 19:37

There is supposed to be a protected support group of people who remain on ESA without having to attend "work-readiness" courses, and people who have been on the books since childhood are, I'd guess, more likely to go in this group.

That said, the people who devised the scheme are apparently horrified that only a third of all IB/ESA claimants are being put in that group (can't find link); the rest have to start jumping through hoops or are refused point-blank.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 19:37

Who si that crazy?

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 19:40

ThisIsA- and of course legal aid to fight these decisions is also going.

crazypanda · 23/01/2011 19:40

hi, peachy,i'm new was reading past pages was talking about that fool docfunk you seem to know what you are talking about though.

Hossylass · 23/01/2011 19:41

You cant stay in the support group indefinately, you will be constsntly re-assessed.

They only want 20% in the support group, though it has varied from 15% to 25%.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 19:46

Fair enough CP.

I can;t see ds3 getting in the support group: he can talk though way below age level and really only about obsessive interests, and he can walk.

Anyone wanna employ an ASD person with a 5 minute attentioon span who gets naken in public, can;t go out alone or self help?

no?

Well I am surprised.

crazypanda · 23/01/2011 19:57

my 13yr old son does not have a proper diagnosis up to now we have been told he has autistic traits been trying for diagnosis for almost five years now on forth doc its hard not to give up hope of ever getting it would welcome any advice from you,you obviously have a lot of knowledge on all things autism.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 20:00

CP if you message me (on the blue bar by my poster name ) with your email addy I can send you a few good powerpoints on diagnosis etc and answer any questions

mistynow · 23/01/2011 20:02

ATOS have not only been awarded the contracts for the DLA and incapacity transfer to ESA medical assessments, they also have been awarded the back to work programme contracts in many areas of the country when the new work programme is rolled out this summer.

So they find all 'fit for work' and get paid for that, then get paid yet again for placing people in employment if of course any can be found and the payouts they receive are rather handsome.

In the meantime they assess on behalf of the Government that a wheelchair user can 'mobilise' and therefore doesn't need DLA.

Those in Care Homes should just be grateful they have 4 walls to stare at

The worlds gone mad Angry

Glitterknickaz · 23/01/2011 20:02

ooh Peachy can you do that for me too? Don't need it but very interested...

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ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 20:04

Of course glttwer

Am presuming ATOS being awarded contracts is affirmation of my assumption of the inevitability of all this?

Rhydian · 23/01/2011 20:11

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy

You're right - leave political parties out of it. The Broken of Britain will petition and write to and shout at and persistently bother anyone who acts to harm disabled people, whether Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative or other.

ReclaimingMyInnerPeachy · 23/01/2011 20:12

As it should be

Though I confess (and acknowledge my pedantry) that I personally am not overly enamoured with being called broken, neither my children.

Battling I could live with. Over tasked absolutely. Never broken.

Glitterknickaz · 23/01/2011 20:18

I'd be fighting this if it was Labour doing this, damned right I would

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MissQue · 23/01/2011 20:21

Me too Glitter, it's about people's lives, not political point scoring. To be completely honest, I wasn't a political person before this government wangled their way into power, despite being unelected. I took an interest in elections and the like, but I've never been as angry as I am now.

kemeva · 23/01/2011 20:24

PLS HELP MY SON TO SAVE HIS MOBILITY ALLOWANCE!

I am a very worried mother of Adam who is profoundly disabled and has complex needs.
Adam was born 13 weeks too soon and in 5 minutes he was hit with a massive brain haemorrage which left him with Cerebral Palsy, Hydrocephalus, blindness. Although he is unable to speak, eat or drink he is a happy young man, nearly 16 years old now, with a busy life, a passion for music and Roald Dahl's stories and with a wicked sense of humour.

From the moment he was born, me and my husband have been fighting constantly for his life and for the provisions he needs to live a quality life. The constant battle with Health, Social Care, Education, Housing etc. had taken its tall on our health. I have CFS and struggled with bouts of depression and anxiety in the past. Only able to work part time, well below my qualification, skills and abilities. My husband had to give up his profesional career totally in order for me to work. He also developed chronic health problem from the intense caring and stress.

The coalition Government's shocking plan to remove the Disability Living Allowance Mobility Component for those in residential care will have a disastrous effect on some 80,000 lives. Vulnerable people and their families are terrified of being robbed of their freedom.

As Brian Rix, President of Mencap, House of Lords rightly commented in the Guardian, David Cameron (whose late son and father was disabled!) appeared totally ignorant of the true situation when a question was raised in the Commons. The PM and his government says that 'there should be a similar approach for people who are in hospital and for those who are in residential care.'

This approach is totally against human rights and would lead us back to the 'Medical' model of disability.

Just think! When you are in hospital, you are unable to go to work, college, pub, theatre, cinema, park or visiting relatives and friend... When you are OUT of hospital you can still live a full life even if you are disabled and unable to get about without car or support! It is anything BUT similar situation to a hospital admission.

What the government says is that if you are disabled and you need a high level of support with your daily care which warrants a residential placement, you should left to rot there, you should have NO freedom of movement, you should not take part in our 'Big Society'!. You should be left in the mercy of the money-starved local authorities and their underpaid, demoralised, poorly trained and unsupported staff!

Furthermore, are you aware, that there some DISABLED CHILDREN whose complex needs can be only met in specialist residential schools or respite homes?

These children's families will lose their specially adapted 'motability' cars, so they will be unable to go out as a family, take their children home or to medical appointment etc.
Without the Mobility Allowance is simply impossible to purchase, insure and run a wheelchair accessible car!
In fact, even the Mobility Allowance does NOT cover the real cost of a leased motability vehicle, because families has to raise a substantial amount of 'advance payment' every three to five years(!) for the adaptation of the wheelchair accessible vehicle - which is NOT theirs, they just use it for a limited period of time.

In our case, because of Adam's specialist wheelchair he needs a rather large vehicle to accommodate his chair, his equipment and allow an 'escort' sitting next to him. In order to USE (not own!) such a vehicle, we had to raise £6,000 just for the advance payment of a 'motability' car. In addition his Mobility Allowance is paid directly to the Motability Scheme to cover the hire, insurance costs. In return Adam has a suitable car to use for a maximum of 5 years. Then after 5 years it will all start again... we have to raise another £5-10,000 to lease another vehicle, as the motability car has to go back to the dealer. The car is for the benefit of Adam, which means we are unable to use it for work, which has a negative impact on our employability and ultimately on our financial situation.

Adam attends a residential special school Monday to Friday and he also spends some short breaks there to enable us to look after him and his brother. He would count as a person who is in 'residential care', so he would lose the use of the wheelchair adapted mobility car. This would mean we would be unable to bring him home for the weekends, school holidays etc. Adam has already lost part of his Disability Living Allowance because he goes to a residential school, now he is to lose the use of a car and his freedom of movement too. The effect of this crude decision will be devastating to our family!

When you read the papers, watched the news you might have ignored it, because you are lucky not to have somebody close to you who could be affected. PLEASE THINK AGAIN!

Eva (Adam's very worried mum)

Hammerlikedaisies · 23/01/2011 20:25

Nor me, MissQue. Thanks to everyone who's posted links, especially Nicecage's research. Very interesting and useful.

Hossylass · 23/01/2011 21:13

Eve, send your post to your MP, and to Maria Miller, and David Cameron, and Nick clegg, and Ed Milliband.

You can find their contact details on theyworkforyou.

The CAB and Mencap would also like testimonies such as these to back up their campaigns, and the Broken of Britain would include it.

They all need the hard facts that you have outlined in such an honest and well-written way.

There are otehr MP's who are fighting these cuts, precious few, but they all need proof. Broken of Britain have a list of supportive MP's, but I cant find the link.
If you go to BoB message board they will find them for you :)

kate1956 · 23/01/2011 21:29

Please note that there are demonstrations called for tomorrow all over the country - Birmingham,Brighton, Chesterfield, Crawley, Glasgow, Leeds, London etc - all entitled 'Benefit Claiments fight back' and organised by Disability groups

www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=173084439389460

most are targeting Atos.

janvier · 23/01/2011 21:50

Eva,

We are in a similar situation. I am the mother of a now grown up son who has cerebral palsy. He has a great mind and sense of humour same as your boy and is loved by everyone who knows him. We made the heartbreaking decision to place him in a care home three years ago because my beautiful boy who cant walk, sit unaided, talk, feed himself, is in nappies, has to rely totally on others etc became an adult with the same needs but magnified because he got bigger. We parents become older and worn out and sooner or later it becomes impossible to manage. Lucky for us he is well looked after and happy. At present we bring him home regularly in our Specially adapted vehicle. We opted to buy it ourself because past experience told us that you are better off in the long run. People seem to think that if you get a Motability car it is for free, they don't realise that if you need a large vehicle like ours, you need to pay a big deposit. Someone once said to me after getting our first Motability car "Its allright for some, some people can have anything", well apart from nearly punching her in the face, I offered to swap our life with hers for a week, that shut her up I can tell you. Anyway, some of our boys Mobility Allowance has helped toward the vehicle and helps to keep it on the road, most of it we have paid for out of our own pocket, it cost £10,000 to convert a large car for a wheelchair. If his money stops next year I dont think we will be able to keep the car on the road, we have to run another car for my husband to go to work. All he wants in life is to be around other people as he is very sociable, he loves to come home to his family and he loves to be taken on outings. Its not too much to ask for is it? He will no longer be able to do this on the meagre £22 a week that he will be left with which is expected to pay for his clothes, toiletries, eating out etc. It costs £50 just to get him home in a special taxi. I have written many letters and e-mails to MPs and newspapers, made phone calls, joined groups, signed petitions, been to see my MP
I have fought for a better life for my son and will continue to do so but I feel absolutely worn out with it all,I'm sure it will finish me off. Thank you all for what you are doing on here, please help us to keep up the pressure.