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Asians and Divorce: My H wants to pretend we are not divorcing

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Frooty · 19/04/2006 22:47

Sorry for length of this. I need to chat with others who have had experience of divorcing an Asian partner and the stigma the Asian community can put on it. I am a mixture of Indian/British/Dutch and was raised in the UK. We have 2 ds of 5 and 6. My H is Indian and was violent and financially controlling. We mutually agreed recently to end the marriage and it also ended the violence. We are still living together until house is sold and my H will not reveal to his community that we are no longer a couple because of the scandal. For complicated reasons, neither of us is in a position to move out in order to separate.

I know (even from this topic board) that there are really lovely Asian men and I have been very unlucky. He was extremely charming for the first few years of marriage. He virtually changed overnight when we fundamentally disagreed over a cultural difference and neither would back down. The violence began after that. I am very wary of his family and community. Some of them are really decent, but even so they will never give me a fair trial when it comes to the divorce, they will be rigid and they will support him because he is powerful and they need him. I will be seen as aggressivly seeking divorce and written off as selfish, foolish and a marriage breaker. I expect to be despised by all and it is going to hurt, it already is. It would be wonderfully liberating, but completely pointless to tell anyone about the DV. But it would ruin my H's reputation and it could endanger me, my kids and my future. He would be a terrifying enemy, he would hurt me through my children somehow – his reputation means everything to him. It is my basic nightmare that I’m going to be hit by a tidal wave of guilt from family and community when the divorce is announced. I buckle easily under guilt trips. My H and his family/community have used this to their advantage – there is always some kind of emotional blackmail going on. It drains me and I want to get off the merry go round where other people control my life. He affected my mental health and I was too ill to leave for years. He really deserves to be exposed but the consequences would be hell because he's too powerful and connected. And I'm so isolated. The gossipy community makes me more isolated – I can’t trust anyone.

Im seeing a solicitor next week about divorce. He is not aware that it is so high on my agenda. I’m putting the house on the market, but signs are that it will be a slow sale. When it does sell and we split the equity, financially it is going to hit him hard to live alone so he is in NO HURRY to divorce. In the meantime he wants me to play happy families by attending forthcoming Indian functions.

This is what I need advice on - socialising until the divorce comes through and we finally make the big announcement. I can't do the "happy family in public" bit anymore. The functions are all his Indian friends and wider community and I'd rather not attend than have to go and act and avoid all the personal/status questions that new people ask after intros. The more people I meet, the more they draw me in to socialise further as a couple. I am trying to get off that circuit – sadly I’ve not found any real friends among them that I could trust with personal info anyway. I just feel like my whole life (until the day of reckoning) is just secrets and lies. I have said to H that if I attend any functions sooner or later someone's questions will drive me nuts and I will have to say we are getting divorced. He is fuming about this because he can't deal with the scandal. As long as I live with him he can make life very difficult.

Please advise. Should I play happy families and go to the functions. He is taking our sons to them without me and people are getting offended and frosty. He is laying guilt about this, saying how good these people have been to me and what a bad nature I have. This could go on for another year until the house is sold.
I’d appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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redbull · 21/04/2006 07:54

Hello fruity
how awfull for you.
I justwanted to say like the others that he is trying to controll you totally and it sounds a very dangerous situstion living with a violent partner who is in complete denial about the divorce and is trying to manipulate you and guilt you has he ever hurt the children?
Anyway what i wanted to say is you do have a choice have you thought about a womans refuge home he wont be able to find you and hurt/manipulate/guilt you and your children anymore, Everything would then be on your terms he would of lost his controll and thats what makes vilent men tick that they have the controll i really think its something that you should think about.

edam · 21/04/2006 10:01

Frooty, have you been in touch with Women's Aid or Refuge? They will be able to advise you on ways to stay as safe as possible. Which may mean getting out now and going to a refuge. Obviously a huge step, but might be your best option.

Hope you are safe today and glad to know this thread has been a support.

Frooty · 21/04/2006 21:38

Thanks for your messages, it makes a huge difference. Things are quiet atm. Kids went back at school too from mid week.

I do have an escape plan, papers, passport, numbers, etc. I always keep my mobile with me at all times in case I need to call the police or any organisations and the numbers are already programmed. My support worker will help me with further options too if I need to leave suddenly. I’ve contacted Women’s Aid and Refuge before several times and I know the process. It is very depressing contacting them. When I rang they said they move women to refuges in areas far away and the kids change schools. I didn’t progress it because I couldn’t face it.

He is calm atm and I’m very careful. I know the signs that lead up to violence and I’m not seeing the signs. He had a partial acceptance that the marriage was over and that stopped the violence. Even so, I think he still has hope that I will have a change of heart about the marriage eventually. He may hope that if various situations improve like money, lifestyle, etc, I will soften. But when he starts to get serious letters from legal sources, that is the point when I need to be careful because he will realise that I was not bluffing and it’s 100% final and he may get bitter and start to drink excessively and be aggressive. He really thinks that he blessed me with a wonderful life and I was just too “westernised” and feminist to appreciate it. He never understood that he made the decisions and he was very financially controlling of me and kids but always had money for his own needs and social life. I’ve had good jobs in the past but I became a nervous wreck and couldn’t return. He also mismanaged money so I couldn’t train for a different career which was the original plan when I stopped working. He always taunted me for not earning in recent years but pychologically I reckon he wanted me to be beholden to him so he could keep guilting me out. I’ve seen H’s behaviour mirrored in India by his male relatives and friends – their wives are expected to be an extension of their husbands - and they don’t have much real power. But they seem to be conditioned to remember how grateful they should be for what they have.

I’m feeling better, for all the support here and generally better anyway. I felt so isolated before. It is so draining feeling that I can’t be honest with my my community and being made to feel that I am selfish all the time by H. I was really down on the date of first posting too. I will be preparing for the Solicitor soon. But I feel OK, which is good! Hope it lasts.

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Nightynight · 21/04/2006 22:02

blimey, frooty, what a life for you though.
I do hope for your sake that your summing up of the situation is correct.

HansieMom · 22/04/2006 02:15

Frooty, I'm writing to you from the Pacific Northwest area of the United States. I'm very worried about you and your sons. I'd like to see you get away NOW, before your meeting with the solicitor. You have received excellent advice from other MN women, and I'm glad you have things ready to go. But H is a time bomb, and I'd like to see you in a place of safety. Wishing you and your sons all the best.

Rainbow · 22/04/2006 06:54

Read the first bit so forgive me if I repeat anything.

Not Asian but am Irish. My FIL was divorced for 15 years before he told his mum!!!
\link{http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=4&threadid=11173\My story} lead me to divorce. I put up with it for years, partly because I thought he would change and partly because of the stigma divorce carries in Ireland. My immediate family I knew would and have backed me but the rest of the clan I know will be against it all (when I eventually tell them!).

You have to remember that no matter what, there are people out there that can help, especially when violence is used. Have you ever considered reporting him to the police? It was the best thing I ever did. The support from them and Women's aid was brilliant. They put me in touch with others in my situation and began to feel less alone. I suddenly realised that everything I had been afraid of didn't actually exist.

Money - I panicked that I would never cope financially without him. I was in fact better off as he was not pouring my money down his throat as well as his own.
Children - my childrens' behaviour has improving no end since their father left. I did not realise the effect the violence, physical and mental, was having on my boys.
Job - I realized that I could hold down a full time job and be a proper mum as I had been doing it before just didn't realise I was doing it on my own.

Just remember that where ever you are Mumsnet is here for you. I would not have got through the last year without them. Good Luck Frooty xx

Frooty · 24/04/2006 07:32

I wanted to post over weekend but there was a local IP problem.

Hansiemom/Nightynight, I do appreciate your concerns. I'm sure my summing up of the danger to myself is right. I needed to post some serious examples of control in order to convey the problems I'm facing. Those examples still stand, but I can't leave yet, I will know when I am ready. I fear I will breakdown immediately if I leave right now. I need to talk in order to psyche myself up and be strong. It is difficult to help women facing DV, I can see it both ways and I appreciate that. You are doing all you can do to help. Thanks.

Rainbow, I'd like to say a lot because you have been through so much. I saw link and read most of your posts before the internet crashed over the weekend. Irish culture seems similar in some ways to what I have described - I have an Irish friend who paints a similar picture about the stigma of scandal in her home town in Ireland. Yours is a very difficult story and you are a very strong and courageous. It must have been so hard for you becuase you have been pulled in all directions. I can see you are still going through the process, it's a long process getting life back on track, but you are doing so well. I'll say more later and look at your thread in more detail. I never read the replies, only your posts at this stage. I'm off to work and the school run. Take care.

Thanks for all your support will post later. xx

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pearlofwisdom · 21/12/2007 11:53

hi everyone. i have been married for 23yrs. I have become a successful business woman and my husband the opposite. i have been a loyal indian wife to him while he left me and my kids at home while he spent time with other women. Since i found out, i lost the trust element. i began to disrespect him and hate him. my only thought was divorce, with 3 grown up daughters and a son, i felt betrayed and used and abused by him and his family. he is feeling great because he is looking at a big financial settlement from the divorce as i have a lot more propety and a business in my name. my 3 daughters are almost of marriage age. HAS ANYONE OUT THERE HAD ANY SETTLEMENT WHERE THE DOWRY FOR THE GIRLS AND THEIR MARRIAGES HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN TO CONSIDERATION DURING A FINANACIAL SETTLEMENT? SO FAR I AM BEING TOLD IT SHOULD BE A 50/50 SETTLMENT BECAUSE OF THE WHITE V WHITE CASE. I AM GUTTED BECAUSE AFTER TAKING AWAY MY MONEY HE IS LEAVING ME WITH ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY AND HARDLY ANYTHING TO SURVIVE ON AFTER SPENDING ON DOWRIES AND THE WEDDINGS.

pukkapatch · 23/12/2007 00:55

hi pearl, if youare losing oout in the divorce, then dont divorce him. that way you get to keep your moeny. let him continue to go out with his fancy women, but dont let hm access your money. keep accoutns separate etc etc. most couples it is the other way round. withthe many controlling the money.

frooty, any news? how have you been in the past two years?

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