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How can anyone afford a car?

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PoisedGoldBiscuit · 19/07/2025 21:23

So we've leased cars for the last 14 years or so. Have paid a non-refundable deposit of between £500 (for a regular hatchback) to around £900 for a SUV. I pay just under £300 p/m now for a Qashqai that includes maintenance (so services, MOTs, most repairs not covered by the warranty or caused by accidental damage). I also don't need to pay car tax.

I'm conscious of the fact that this is a debt that I'll essentially never pay off as I'm not gaining any equity in the car and just hand it back. I've looked at other options and they seem so far out of reach.

  • buying cars second hand, friends who have done this seem to regularly spend £££ on maintenance issues, even for cars that are only a few years old.
  • buying cars new but with a warranty, the monthly payments are huge and the car seems to drop so much in value that it's not worth the payments.
-taking out a PCP/ other scheme where you can hand the car back or pay a balloon payment, again, these seem to have huge monthly payments. Dealerships have never been able to get anywhere near the lease payments (and then have a huge balloon payment).

Am I missing something?

OP posts:
makingthecut · 20/07/2025 11:36

It’s also difficult to jump off the finance track even if you want to because you possibly can’t save enough to buy the next car whilst paying finance on the current so you either take another loan or use a windfall to buy a car outright.

Car ownership is expensive and can be stressful. Everyone has to work out what fits best for them.

For us, we can afford the payments and choose the completely stress free option and no additional payments above the lease cost because that works for us.

Badbadbunny · 20/07/2025 11:38

makingthecut · 20/07/2025 10:09

I know what the OP is saying.

And people do judge (on mumsnet) a lot about people having ‘flashy’ cars and expensive finance .

No, they "judge" the ones who can't really afford a new car lease every 3 years whilst bemoaning they've no money for food or utilities!

Nothing wrong at all with someone who CAN afford a new car if that's what they want to spend their money on and it's not to the detriment of other things.

Badbadbunny · 20/07/2025 11:44

Viviennemary · 20/07/2025 09:00

I think the most economic way is to buy a car say 2 years old from a reliable large garage. Otherwise it's too hit and miss if you buy privately. Fine if you are a car mechanic or know one.

These days you can check the MOT history on line to get a view as to when the mileage was done, what kind of things it's failed on, or advisories, etc., to gauge the care of driving etc.

You can get an RAC check on the condition. You can get warranties.

You can Google the exact make and model to research known problems - lots of Facebook groups where owners discuss their cars, offer opinions/advice, etc.

So it's ALL a matter of research.

There are some cars I'd be happy to buy at 10 years old and more. I've got one currently 17 years old and not cost me a penny more than routine/scheduled service items, never failed an MOT. If it got written off tomorrow, I'd use the insurance money to buy another, even at 17 years old as it's pretty much indestructible, no signs of rust, gearbox, clutch, exhaust etc all sound.

ErnestClementine · 20/07/2025 11:50

Bought a 3 year old car and paid for it by splitting the cost 3 ways: part-exing the 10 year old car that had started to cost, a 0% credit card and savings.
Car is now 5 and hasn't cost anything other than MOTs and services. The debt is going down and the savings going up for the next one - again hopefully the car will make it to at least 10 and hopefully longer.

Nourishinghandcream · 20/07/2025 11:50

It’s also difficult to jump off the finance track even if you want to because you possibly can’t save enough to buy the next car whilst paying finance on the current so you either take another loan or use a windfall to buy a car outright.

This.👍
When I started working and needed transport I bought my first vehicle (a moped) using savings from a PT schooltime job. This meant that at 16 I was immediately able to save for my next vehicle (a motorcycle before I took my car test and bought my first car) and I never got into the cycle of borrowing, instead was able to save.

My first couple of cars were bangers, followed by a couple of nearly new and from then on, new. All paid for out of savings as I avoided that initial step of borrowing to buy my first vehicle.

IDontHateRainbows · 20/07/2025 11:57

makingthecut · 20/07/2025 11:36

It’s also difficult to jump off the finance track even if you want to because you possibly can’t save enough to buy the next car whilst paying finance on the current so you either take another loan or use a windfall to buy a car outright.

Car ownership is expensive and can be stressful. Everyone has to work out what fits best for them.

For us, we can afford the payments and choose the completely stress free option and no additional payments above the lease cost because that works for us.

Exactly this. I need to start putting money inside into the 'next car fund' as I have no idea how long my current one will last and I'd imagine I'd get another 3 or so years out of it before it becomes more economical to buy a new (old) one than keep repairing it.

makingthecut · 20/07/2025 11:59

Badbadbunny · 20/07/2025 11:38

No, they "judge" the ones who can't really afford a new car lease every 3 years whilst bemoaning they've no money for food or utilities!

Nothing wrong at all with someone who CAN afford a new car if that's what they want to spend their money on and it's not to the detriment of other things.

That’s not my experience from previous threads but it seems I’m alone in this view.

Badbadbunny · 20/07/2025 12:05

@Nourishinghandcream

It’s also difficult to jump off the finance track even if you want to because you possibly can’t save enough to buy the next car whilst paying finance on the current so you either take another loan or use a windfall to buy a car outright.

Nail on the head. Better to do it the other way. My first car was a cheap banger, but I saved £200 per month for the "next one", i.e. the equivalent to the kind of loan I'd have had if I'd have bought newer. The old banger lasted a few years, so I had several thousand in the bank to buy it's replacement, and then I continued saving £200 per month, so a few years later, with it's PX value, I could afford to outright buy a brand new car (smallish, mid range model). I continued to save the £200 per month which has funded replacement brand new (or ex demo) cars ever since. My OH did virtually the same, and between us, we now have 3 cars, one is 17 years old, bought brand new which is our "utility" car for local trips, supermarkets etc. One is a brand new one bought last year and the other is an ex demo one bought 2 years ago at six months old, and our savings were still not exhausted with the PX value we got. We're still saving £200 each per month and continuing to build up savings for the next replacement(s).

Only one of our cars have cost us much other than scheduled services/consumables - we've never needed a new clutch/gearbox, etc on any car. The most costly was one we kept to 195k miles and started costing us at around the 150k miles mark - in hindsight we should have got rid at that point, but it was a good/clean solid car and every time we had something done, we thought "that was it" but then something else would go wrong. But even then, it still wasn't costing more than £200 per month - it was just a few hundred every few months, and we've never had a bill for anything more than a thousand pounds!

We've tended to keep each one between 10-15 years, but as I say, our longest is our current run-around at 17 years. One or two have been PX'd earlier for other reasons, such as when we had our son and needed both cars (at that time) to be big enough for the big pram in the boot whereas we only had one big and one small hatchback at that moment in time.

I did the number crunching for the 17 year old one a while ago, taking into account the purchase price, all servicing/repair bills, MOT costs, etc. (I keep all the bills on a spreadsheet), and it worked out less than £100 per month over the 17 years! You'd never get a new leased car for that!!

MondayYogurt · 20/07/2025 12:21

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waxymoron · 20/07/2025 12:32

I have to say I absolutely do not 'judge' people who pay large amounts monthly. I get that sometimes it's the only way - my d has had to tske a small loan out as she needs a biggish one for her children and simply doesnt have the cash
What makes me a little cross is those who think I'm somehow inferior for not having a massive great brand new car which I'm paying 300 a month for or something!
If I had an amazingly paid job which meant lots of miles every week then maybe...but the people I work with who all live within 5 or so miles of work are the ones who seem to need two of these (one per spouse) and leave them in a car park all day while telling me I need a 'proper' car! Just strikes me as... odd!

C8H10N4O2 · 20/07/2025 13:19

Like others, I have always bought cars which are 18 months - 3 yrs (still within the MoT exemption period) and so still have warranty but are past the lemon test point and peak depreciation. I go for higher spec but on very practical models - I’ve always needed cars which are practical workhorses. I have also never felt the need to have the latest new shiny every couple of years.

I then drive them until they drop. The last one pegged out at 250k miles and then only because the electronic component in need of replacing was no longer made. (Or I would have repaired it and kept going). This is the downside of more electronic components in modern cars.

This is still both the most cost efficient and also the greenest way to drive a car.

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/07/2025 13:45

If I had an amazingly paid job which meant lots of miles every week then maybe...but the people I work with who all live within 5 or so miles of work are the ones who seem to need two of these (one per spouse) and leave them in a car park all day while telling me I need a 'proper' car! Just strikes me as... odd!

While also saying how skint they are and questioning how you can afford to go on holiday.

RidingMyBike · 20/07/2025 14:31

Noseyoldcow · 19/07/2025 22:36

I am in the very fortunate position of being able to afford to run my small economical 9 year old car. But I cannot understand how those who can’t afford a car can afford bus fares. I recently, whilst the car was in for a service, caught the bus into the nearest town, and a scant 15 minutes journey cost me £2.60, one way. At that rate, how can anyone afford not to drive?

It depends what you use the car for though and what public transport is like.

I’ve been keeping a comparison of costs as we need to replace the old car that we’ve almost run into the ground. Until the last couple of years it was very cheap to run. Ideally use savings to buy another secondhand car. But factoring in servicing and insurance costs.
For the amount we use the car, we’d be better off using public transport, maybe hiring a car for a holiday if we were going to do self-catering. And paying to have heavier stuff delivered (DIY or garden equipment). With an occasional taxi too. But it’s the convenience that is making me pause and consider what would be best.

waxymoron · 20/07/2025 14:32

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/07/2025 13:45

If I had an amazingly paid job which meant lots of miles every week then maybe...but the people I work with who all live within 5 or so miles of work are the ones who seem to need two of these (one per spouse) and leave them in a car park all day while telling me I need a 'proper' car! Just strikes me as... odd!

While also saying how skint they are and questioning how you can afford to go on holiday.

Hahahaha. Something like that!!

intrepidpanda · 20/07/2025 14:37

They save money for it.
I got my first car and was paying over the odds on a financial plan ( but was too young to have savings built) so after that finished after 4 years I put the money i was saving on the monthly payments into a savings account.
When I got my second car I got 0% finance due to deposit saved from above. Payments finished and cycle starts again.

TheMousePipes · 20/07/2025 14:46

Buy your car at 4 years old with 1 year warranty left just in case it's a nail - ideally from a main dealer. Take a 5 year loan out to finance it. When the loan runs out make the payments into a savings account for a further 5 years. Use savings as deposit on the next one and take a loan for the balance. Rinse and repeat. (Also buy something practical and dependable - like a hyundai or a kia, not something that'll break down every 30 seconds)

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/07/2025 14:52

Yep we bought our first car on 3 year personal loan. When payments finished we continued to pay ourselves the loan payment, when that car died we bought another in cash for what we had in savings, and kept paying ourselves the car loan payment, buying the next car for cash but no more than we had in savings. Each time we were able to get a slightly better car because we had more saved.

VeryStressedMum · 20/07/2025 15:14

People have cars how they can afford to. We have a big expensive car bought outright plus a smaller less expensive car which I drive also bought because dh earns a lot of money so we can afford it.
When we didn't have much money we had a car either finance paid it every month for 5 years and drove it until it was done.
That's just the way it is

Mossstitch · 20/07/2025 15:23

I always buy outright and keep them til they die, one was interest free credit lasted 15 years, another bought at 3 Yr old lasted til it was 25 yrs old, I've just got an ex demo model of same one so that should be around long after I'm gone (or too old to drive) None have ever cost me in maintenance what all these lease cars cost that a lot of the people I know have.🤷‍♀️

Ihaveoflate · 20/07/2025 15:31

I buy well maintained second hand Japanese cars and keep them a long time.

I had a Toyota starlet that was nearly 20 years old when I sold it (needed a bigger car). My current Suzuki is 14 years old and I hope it will do at least another 5 years. I have it serviced by my local garage every year and so far nothing has gone mechanically wrong with it.

I am already succession planning by saving regularly for when the time comes to replace. I will always buy outright if at all possible.

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 17:32

People don't get it do they that some people don't want to own a car 🤷‍♀️ and some don't want to use 17 year old bangers .

CarpetKnees · 20/07/2025 17:34

Platypusdiver · 20/07/2025 07:51

This is a joke surely? You can pick up a car for a few hundred quid. You mean a car that suits your image? That’s more accurate.

Those days are gone. Or if you do get one for that price, you'll end paying a small fortune to keep it running. Not to mention the stress of finding out the next thing that needs to be fixed.

I understand the idea of leasing from the point of view of the maintaince being taken care of by someone else. But finiancially it is a luxury.

Owning cars is expensive and it really bloody varies as the car ages. Pot luck as well. My first car cost me very little to maintain (10 year old golf, sold when it reached 16). Second is a money pit (Ford fiesta).

They aren't.
My 22 year old car cost me £500 6 years ago and has have very little spent on it since.

I tend to suspect on these threads that people are justifying to themselves the fact they have taken out car loan, or that then pay an extortionate amount out to lease a car every month, by trying to convince themselves that all older cars need lots of money spent on them.

RosesAndHellebores · 20/07/2025 17:57

As I said to petrol heads 40 years ago, only a dick would put £30k (was 30k then) in a metal box and stick it on the pavement outside their house, knowing that in twelve to eighteen months only £15k would be in the box.

Philandbill · 20/07/2025 18:28

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 17:32

People don't get it do they that some people don't want to own a car 🤷‍♀️ and some don't want to use 17 year old bangers .

But the point of the thread was OP asking if she was missing something. People who think that she is are answering that question....

DinoLil · 20/07/2025 18:53

I drive a 2009 Chevvy. 43k on the clock. Cost me £900 about 4yrs ago.

I always buy cheap, run them until they're not worth fixing and then buy another cheap one.

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