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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

When the dc go back to school, can we start an Autumn Term Bootcamp, and not wait for Xmas?

45 replies

SixImpossible · 16/08/2014 19:39

'Cos I've just eaten all the cooking chocolate!Sad

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miffy49 · 22/08/2014 20:30

I agree. You have so much to offer to newbies. Not to mention some old low carbers like me who are struggling to get the rest of the way.SmileI've found your posts a big help. Flowers

Hope you manage it this time. I can't say theres an awful lot that I miss carb wise. I looked at the Harcombe diet for awhile but then realised that there wasn't that much in the way of carb meals that I'd want. The occasional nectarine might be nice or few cherries but I certainly don't miss spuds and I hate the gluten free breads!

Fingers crossed for Monday. Hoping I can actually manage a loss for this week too. It would really boost my morale to go out on a high.

calzone · 22/08/2014 21:09

How have you managed to stay on track Stunt?

Have you eaten sugar at all?

If you have, how did you get back on track?

SmileSmileSmileSmile

StuntNun · 22/08/2014 21:19

I follow Bootcamp most of the time Calzone. When I do indulge in something carby it is usually a 'safe' carb like a roast potato or a quarter of a portion of white rice. I have had the odd slice of birthday cake but they're usually sickly sweet to me now. My problems have been at Christmas and on holiday when there is an extended period of carby temptation. Once I fall off the wagon I fall hard so any 'cheats' have to be mindful and infrequent or I start to find excuses to eat the wrong stuff. I have experimented with intermittent fasting, carb refeeds and egg fasts and I have had to do a fair bit of tweaking of my calories and macros using My Fitness Pal to get the last few pounds off. One thing I have noticed from MFP is that my food intake can vary quite a bit: one day I might have 2000 calories and another only 1600 calories. I think I need to be more mindful of the feelings of hunger and satiation and let my body dictate what it needs.

StuntNun · 23/08/2014 07:29

I made it! I weighed myself about eight times this morning just to make sure the scale read the same each time. I can't believe it but I'm finally at my maintenance weight. That was 14 months well spent to lose 36 pounds.

Shucks you guys say the nicest things Blush I was worried I'd derail threads as I'll be reintroducing some carbs a la Atkins' carb ladder I already have sweet potato ordered in my next Tesco delivery. But I love delving into the science behind diet and nutrition. Next time I read Taubes I'm going to make notes.

When the dc go back to school, can we start an Autumn Term Bootcamp, and not wait for Xmas?
miffy49 · 23/08/2014 10:57

Brilliant! I keep telling myself that one day it will be me! Envy Grin

Interesting what you say about MFP. I use Fat Secret as I have been trying to get my weight moving again. Thinking of just leaving it and just following the food list as its messing with my head! My macros are always within the right percentages but my calories are all over the place. I eat anything from 800 to 1500 with the average around 1150. Still not shifting the weight. Wondering if wittering about the calories being either under or over is messing me up when I should actually be just listening to my appetite.

Have you read the Volek and Phinney book about LCHF? I found that interesting.

BIWI · 23/08/2014 17:29

Fantastic news! ThanksThanksThanksWineWineWine

StuntNun · 23/08/2014 17:51

Could you be eating too little Miffy? I try to be guided by my hunger signals but 1600 calories would be an unusually low calorie day for me.

miffy49 · 24/08/2014 17:10

I'm stuffed if I know Stunt!

I looked at Fat Secret and that gives me 1800 to maintain and 1300 to lose around 1lb a week. When I was doing 5:2 they gave me a TDEE of 1200! I base it on the most sedentary level given my mobility problems but I do work hard at building activity into my day to day life and I also do weights at least 3 times a week. I have just gone up to heavier weights as I was needing more and more reps/circuits and I have noticed a changed of shape so I'm hoping I'm bulking up a bit and its masking actual fat loss.

My plan now is to stick with as few carbs as poss but to record only carbs and forget calories. I think I look at the calories and think maybe I should eat more/less when I should really be moving away from the calories in/out mentality. I'm trying to keep dairy intake lowish too but its hard.

SixImpossible · 24/08/2014 17:53

I'm puzzled by this talk of calories. I thought that HFLC totally discounts the calories in/out belief?

When I have stalled while actively trying to lose weight by HFLC, I have found that the culprit has been snacks and mindless eating. Nuts in particular are a disaster for me, because I just graze. Celery dipped in mayo OTOH is a very good snack as I have to pay attention while eating. Also hard boiled eggs, because you can't just scoff them while.

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miffy49 · 24/08/2014 20:33

Opinions seem to vary with some saying that low carb only works because you automatically reduce your calories whilst other experts say the whole calorie theory is rubbish. I was logging my carbs on Fat Secret and that does insist on giving calories as well. Both Stunt and I have experienced mega stalls and have been looking at all aspects of how we eat to try and find a way round it.

I don't graze. I used to on my old low fat diet but on LC I seldom think about eating other than to organise the days meals for the family. I would say I had pretty well got the whole thing sorted except for the fact that the weight loss dried up! I don't eat in the mornings and have a couple of eggs with butter at lunchtime. Nothing then until my evening meal. I have a small snack (usually a couple of BabyBel ) at bedtime as that helps keep my BG stable over night. I have been stuck now for almost a year. My weight is so stable that the maintainers would be proud! Unfortunately I still need to shift at least 2st.

StuntNun · 25/08/2014 07:20

Six while the calories in/calories out concept isn't quite as simple as it's made out to be, it still holds. Part of the issue is that some foods take more effort to digest than others, like the myth about celery being negative calories. It takes more effort for your body to digest protein than it does carbs. Also if you're consuming less than 150g carbs per day then your body converts protein to carbohydrate by gluconeogenesis which is an inefficient process, off the top of my head it's something like 60-70% effective so to produce 10g of glucose you need to use up 15g of protein. A low carb diet still produces a calorie deficit and that's why you lose weight. Basically by reducing insulting production you allow fat to flow freely in and out of your fat cells as triglycerides. (When insulin levels are high fat can only flow into your fat cells). When you're fat-adapted your body uses up all these lovely triglycerides floating around: your muscles use the free fatty acids directly, your liver can convert the glycerol backbones to glucose to feed your brain, retinas and red blood cells, and your liver also converts the fatty acids into ketones which your brain also uses. Because you have this ample supply of fuel in your bloodstream your food consumption drops so your calories in is less than your calories expended, with the difference coming from your fat reserves... hence you lose weight.

As you get towards your target weight the process of weight loss usually slows or stops. This is where tracking calories can come in helpful. In my case I was still eating the portions I needed when I was over 11 stone so My Fitness Pal allowed me to see where I was going wrong. I almost feel like I don't eat enough now because my portions are so much smaller; now I know the feeling of pushing away half a plateful of food because I'm stuffed. Whereas before I would have just eaten everything I was given because that's the way I was brought up. Another issue when near goal is that sometimes you need to increase the amount of fat you are eating as your fat stores are much smaller and strangely increasing your fat macro can lead to a sudden drop on the scales.

If you are a stone or more overweight then follow the Bootcamp rules and you should lose weight easily enough. It's only when you get within half a stone of goal that more tweaking may be required.

There have been a few people on these threads that have experienced an extended stall in weight loss despite being somewhat over their target weight. In that case there are tweaks such as cutting dairy, avoiding artificial sweeteners, reducing nut intake etc. that can help. I also have a theory that sometimes your body resists losing weight as part of a homeostatic balance mechanism where it is adjusting your weight set point to a new, lower, point. That would explain people like myself and Miffy who cannot get the scales to budge downwards but hover around the same weight for an extended period.

StuntNun · 25/08/2014 07:21

*insulting production = insulin production

GuyMartinsSideburns · 25/08/2014 13:38

Happy to say Im now back to my pre-preg weight. I'll be signing up for the next one though, Im looking forward to the routine of school runs and meal planning, and the extra walking.

Username12345 · 30/08/2014 01:18

I wanna join the next bootcamp. Grin

Will have to eat all the cakes before then. Wink

pingufan · 30/08/2014 15:27

Hi guys I'm still around and looking forward to joining the next boot camp. I've stuck to the plan over the holidays but my two week vacation, birthday meals, weekend away and days out mean I've fluctuated 7lbs up.and down over the past 6 weeks.

To be honest I'm getting a bit fed up of eating the same foods, especially my work lunch which is almost always a green salad with either tuna, salmon or chicken with mayo. I will need some recipes for a soup.or something I can heat up for the colder weather as I'm often outdoors but do have microwave access.

I'm going to have to find some new recipes to mix things up a bit, bit sick of the same meals over and over...

cardoon · 31/08/2014 18:13

I wonder how you're all deciding on your target weight - is it top or mid BMI?

Pisseslikeahorse · 01/09/2014 09:49

Hi cardoon, the best advice I've been told is to stand in front of a big mirror and jump up and down. If nothing jiggles that shouldn't then you're about there. Smile
Actually it seems to be good advice, my BMI would put me in hospital If I got to the middle of normal range. Whilst on this WOE I've gone from a BMI target (to get under obese), to a random figure, to my weight when I was younger and finally accepting its about how I picture myself (in the mirror) and feel personally.

That as I dropped weight the goal has moved and that I've focused on my fitness making weight loss part of that programme. Others talk about clothing sizes, health or occasions as goals instead.

One question is how over are you? If like me you have allot to loose then look at weight trackers / BMI etc and take a general figure, but don't accept it as fact just a bit of a guide and pick a number you thinks reasonable. And probably the same goes for a smaller amount but think about the mirror and what you want to achieve.

hope that helps

SixImpossible · 01/09/2014 11:41

Having been obese for so many years, I wasn't sure what a reasonable target would be.

I chose the dress size that I felt worked best for me in my 20s. I also wanted to get into the 'ideal' BMI range - even if only just by 0.1 point.

I made it, for both. But I only stayed inside 'ideal' for a very short while. Last time I weighed myself (3-4 months ago) I was at the bottom of 'overweight'. I think I've put on a bit since then, but not a whole dress size.

I would like to get myself into 'ideal'. Another dress size down may be a realistic target, but I'm not sure that want it.

Personally, I won't go for the jumping in front of the mirror criterion, because with age (plus pregnancies and long term obesity) comes natural floppiness. I will always sag now. Grin

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StuntNun · 01/09/2014 15:51

Cardoon my initial target weight was my pre-pregnancy weight of 9st 6lb. Once I achieved that last November I was still quite 'soft'-looking so I set a new goal of 9st which I achieved last month. I still have some bits that wobble up and down in the mirror but my BMI is on the lower side of the normal range so I don't think it's appropriate to try and lose any more weight. Instead I have upped the amount of exercise I'm doing to try and build a bit of muscle rather than lose more fat.

cardoon · 03/09/2014 22:06

I am 4lbs from a BMI of 25 but I will not stop at that - maybe another stone after to bring it to 22 then review. Funny thing about your BMI pisses

I'm doing a lot of gym work too and am feeling surprisingly firm.... on the inside Grin

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