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my sis has just had her son taken of her...

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missxvamp · 23/12/2008 11:04

my sister has had her son removed from her yesterday because she is depressed and also there was some neglect im afraid. shes been threw a awful lot the lil boys dad is agressive and abusive and since bein wiv him she had 2 move 2 many diff refuges etc becoz he kept finding her. nyway the worst happend yesterday and they took him from her it was awful i was there as i had looked after him and my daughter all day. anyway she is of course devastated and jus in shock i mean rite b4 xmas as well. there appealing against it becoz her silicitor is fuming!!! can anyone jus tell me if this has happend 2 them or nyone they know? and also how hard will it b 2 get him bk if at all?

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lisad123 · 25/12/2008 16:04

well if she didnt register him with gp, surely he had missed a lot fo checks? or did HV do these? im guessing he had very little simulation and guidance if she wasnt looking after him, poor little chap
He will remeber all this and be very affected by all this and he needs to see you. You can apply to be party to procedeings and then you would be allowed in court. HTH

pantomimEDAMe · 25/12/2008 16:24

agree, DO get some legal advice - your nephew needs to know you love him and care about him.

VirginBoffinMum · 25/12/2008 16:39

This is a really tough one. At Christmas too. I think the other posters are being very sensible when they suggest legal advice. You are his aunt, that should count for something. I hope the little lad had some presents and a reasonable time of it. Can you get any presents over to him??

missxvamp · 25/12/2008 19:48

oh he had a great time so i heard. lots pressies n he got all our pressies yesterday im sure hes being looked after very well by his foster carers a man n a woman who also hav a son as well

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wrapstar · 25/12/2008 20:17

I can't really read your posts as they are all in awful textspeak BUT if you want to keep this little boy in your family you need to decide between you and your parents who will have them and get a solicitor FAST. Good luck.

missxvamp · 27/12/2008 12:21

well i jus cant possibly hav him tho im due in march wit my 2nd child i just would never manage with having just one child to three all of a sudden. social services would never let me have him they know im honest and admit i wouldnt cope. one child is hard work and two will be harder how could i mange a third whom isnt in any routines or anything. and my mum and dad cant have him. dad is in usa annd mum just wont have him. ya know either way its non of our faults if my sister had been a bteer mother this wouldnt have happend really. she will nevr change. shes been smoking drugs and drinking and ieing in bed all day. its stupid and im annoyed and mad and i give up tying to help her. she ruined my and my daughters xmas. i wont let her ruin anything else.

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nappyaddict · 27/12/2008 22:52

i hope your grandparents are allowed to keep him she needs to stop drinking and doing drugs if she wants him back. did she used to drink and smoke drugs in the day time before her little boy was taken away or has this just stemmed from him going?

pantomimEDAMe · 27/12/2008 22:57

missx, being charitable about it, maybe your sister is feeling desperately sad about her boy and is drowning her sorrows? Not very constructive but very human.

Whatever, I do hope you and the rest of your family stay in touch with the poor lad.

OptimistS · 28/12/2008 08:12

Hi Missx. I'm sorry to hear about this. I have some personal experience because I fostered my friend's little girl for 6 months when she was removed for similar reasons. My friend had undiagnosed PND that had spiralled into mental health issues, exacerbated by heavy drinking, which led to her creating an extremely unpleasant and negative atmosphere for her DC. She was at no physical risk - SS agreed that she was kept clean, well clothed, well fed, etc., but she was considered to be at emotional risk, due to the lack of a calm, loving environment, repeated failure to attend routine health appointments, etc.

SS are removing more children since the Baby P case. Although it is incredibly hard on the parents affected, if there is enough risk for SS to think it is warranted, you have to accept that it is better for them to be safe than sorry. That said, SS also recognise that in most cases it is better for the child to return to the natural parents, and this is backed up further by the fact that SS departments do not have the funding to support infinite numbers of foster parents. There are simply too few places for removed children to go, so unless a natural parent proves themselves to be a very real danger to a child, SS will always work at returning the child where there is any hope for salvaging the situation. Therefore, if your sister can work hard at it, things are in her favour to get her little boy back. The ball is in her court. Without knowing all the details, but taking what you've said on face value, it would seem your sister falls into the category where the issues can be solved by a concerted effort to clean up and attendance at parenting classes.

Based on my own personal experience and seeing my friend's case unfold (she got her DD back and still has her 5 years on), there are several things she needs to do:

  1. Get off the drink and drugs. If this requires her to get counselling because she finds it difficult, then that's what she needs to do.
  1. Get legal advice. SS should have informed her about her right about this, but any family law lawyer would be able to fill her in on her rights. I'm assuming she will qualify for legal aid, but even if she doesn't, she should be able to get half an hour of telephone advice for free.
  1. Co-operate with SS as much as possible. She absolutely has to remain polite at all times, no matter what provocation she feels under. Getting agressive will backfire against her big time. If she has trouble getting her point across, can she use an advocate? Maybe you would be able to attend meetings with her and speak for her?
  1. Badger SS to show her committment to getting her son back. She should phone them on an almost daily basis saying she wants her DS back and is prepared to do anything they require in order to make that happen. She could request parenting classes herself, rather than wait to be offered them.

Your sister is probably feeling devastated right now and asking the above of her is a tall order. While it would be very understandable of her to fall apart and lose herself in drink and drugs as a coping mechanism, that's the surest way she can go about losing her son on a permanent basis. Part of being a parent is the acceptance that your child's needs come before your own, particularly when they are very small, and this is one occasion where she needs to show that she recognises that. She CAN get her son back, but it rests with her. Good luck.

OptimistS · 28/12/2008 08:17

Sorry, that's a long post, but I want to add something further.

Your sister is probably at rock bottom right now, and he confidence in her own parenting abilities is probably as low as it can go. One of the things you can do to help her is to keep telling her that you believe in her; that you believe she loves her son and that it is possible for her to get past this and become a better parent because of it. Remind her of occasions when she has been a good, loving mother and tell her she can work from there.

You're trying to achieve a balance between stick and carrot. Don't criticise her because it will make her worse and more likely to give up. However, that doesn't mean that you can't be firm about how she needs to stop drinking and needs to learn some new parenting techniques.

missxvamp · 28/12/2008 10:05

i totally understand what your saying. firstly nope she never used to drink or smoke weed. its only since her son was taken. i do beleive she can change butttt saying that i have seen what shes like though she used to lie in bed while her son did his own thing. and he would get in trouble because he would do naughty stuff but only because she wasnt there to see it and stop it. she really needs parenting classes but shes not doing anything to help shes just lieing in bed and then goes on her laptop all day. yes i go on my laptop to. but i still attend to my daughter and play with her and everything else. when she is on hers its like shes in a different world. i hav ried speaking to her when shes on it and she will just blank me because she cant hear anything im sayin. her son was badly neglected he really really was. im being honest here it wasnt nice to see. i want to help her but i just keep snapping at her because she eont stop lieinng in bed and drinking and what not. oh aand shes already been very aggresve towards the SS so its to late to take that back she shouts at them and screams and allsorts.

if only i could do something to help. but how can i when i just talk to her and she gets me so stressed because shes not helping herself. i can see all heer faults its very hard to just sit there and try not say anything because if i do she then goes of on one and gets aggresive towards me. and i dont want that at all.

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OptimistS · 28/12/2008 10:54

Sounds awful! And so hard for you to be watching all this unfolding before your eyes. In your first post, you metioned your sister has depression. Shutting everyone out and refusing to help herself is very common behaviour among depressed people. Do you know how much help she's had with it? Has her GP prescribed anti-depressants? Sounds to me as though one of the first things she may have to do is deal with that before she's in any fit state to tackle the issue of getting her son back. Exercise also helps, so could you get her to come for a walk with you everyday or something?

If all else fails and your sister cannot deal with this, then sad as it is, it may be better for her son to be kept away from her. However, as his auntie I'm sure you would be able to maintain a relationship with him via SS and the foster family. You may be unable to cope with having him full time as you are about to have another baby, but I'm sure you'd cope perfectly well with the odd weekend or even just an afternoon once a week. It may be worth your while seeking some legal advice about this.

So sorry all this is happening to your family. I wish you all the luck in the world.

nappyaddict · 28/12/2008 12:20

the things you say about your sister remind me of me. especially the laptop thing. i have had to limit my use on it cos i am the same. when i am on it really can't hear what other people are saying. i blank them out cos i can't concentrate on the laptop and people talking to me. then a few minutes later it will register that someone was trying to talk to me and i will say sorry what did you say.

i would say i only play with my ds for half an hour a day. i just don't enjoy playing with him it's boring. instead i take him to as many groups and classes as is possible or have people over for coffee. that way i have something to occupy me so i'm not on my laptop and i feel like i am doing my bit but i don't actually have to play with him if that makes sense. i don't really enjoy babies i enjoy them when they get to about 3 years old. perhaps your sister is similar to me? could you suggest when she gets him back she do something like that if she finds it boring playing with a 2 year old.

missxvamp · 28/12/2008 17:42

well i just wanna say i really admire your honestly there nappyaddict. well she did start taking him 2 a mother n toddller group but then all this happend and of course she dont have her son anymore. im not perfect i should play with my daughter more as well. but i do get bored easily. though saying that she makes ma laugh and we do have fun most of the time.

and optimist well no she wont even register with a doctor shes to lazy to do anything for herself. i think she may have opnly just got a docter now i think.... but thats only because she was made to do so as she has now lost her son because of some of them reasons. ermm im depressed as well but i dont neglect my daughter surely she could have spe4nt more timee with him.

another reason this all happend was because she put other people before her son. i.e boyfriends and friends. there was recently a boyfriend and all she went on aabout was him she even gave him 40 quid which was supposed to be 4 her laptop bill that im guarantor for and of course as she wont pay i had to cancel my diresct debit for it as they take it from my account and of course its messed everything up 4 me as well. and she just doesnt care shes all self self self.

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nappyaddict · 28/12/2008 23:21

Taking him to a m&t group will be something that will look good to SS. How many times a week did she take him? She should look into all the activities in the area that she could take him to each day so she can tell SS that she's got her act together and really wants to help her son develop and interact with other people.

maidenvoyage · 28/12/2008 23:28

have never been in your situation but my heart goes out to you. Years ago my ex husband accused me of abusing my son and I proved that I had not but it was a very scarey time, did not have him taken away thank god but it was a emotional roller coaster. At the time we were in the armed forces and I had a very good network of friends that backed me up that my son was very well looked after, well loved etc. Is this a case of the father accusing etc. I know you are saying your sister is going through a hard time drinking etc but surely they could not take him away just for that; maybe the ex has something to do with it. If that is the case then she can prove that she is a good parent. It worked for me and eighteen years later I still have son living with me lol

kormaisforlifenotjustchristmas · 28/12/2008 23:37

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BlueSapphire77 · 28/12/2008 23:41

google john hemmings mp and get his email address, contact him, and also try the fassit group
Good luck xx

missxvamp · 29/12/2008 09:28

i had to improve it as people cant read haha. i prefer text talk because its quicker haha see i cant even put lol because you might not know what it means it means laugh out loud hehe. anyway as for my sister i dont know what to say about her. she went out to a friends last nightt again the one friend who sells her the weed sooo i have no doubt she has had some again i got a message on facebook of her sometime last night posting me a video saying here ya goth choke on some fooking chav music.... now this is not how sshe normally talks to me at all i think she was prob drunk or stoned or both. i think shes being really nasty ssaying things like that is not nice at all. i want to say that her son is better of but if i actually say it im gonna feel really bad. but the way things are going well i just think she has no chance of getting him back. anyway lucky her e4h she can now go out get drunk and smoke drugs its the life shes always wanted being able to do whatever SHE wants and not have to think about anyone else. phewww i hateee having to type properly haha.

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dilemma456 · 30/12/2008 09:34

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