Checking ex husband salary via csa?

[Summerstrawberries666]

Hi all

Apologies if not posting in right place, wasnt sure which was best topice!

I divorced husband over 4 years ago, at the time we agreed £300per month as part of consent/court order. At the time he had just made sergeant role in police and was on about £32k i believe. He has since progressed and probably had pay rises each year and has recently been made duty inspector. He claims he is now on less money than before due to no longer getting shift allowance when i have queried raising £300.

In the last 2 years he has also remarried and gained 3 step children, with whom he naturally now lives. He states that he already gives me more than enough and is now reponsible for 3 more children depsire their father paying maintenance. Their combined salary, both in police, is almost 5 times mine. he has our son one evening per week and every other weekend.

In essence, he has never been transparent about money and very manipulative on the whole hence divorce. If her children can be taken into account for his maintenance for our child, conversely can her income be taken into account for his reduced outgoings. I guess what i am asking is, should i go to csa or whatever now called regardless and see if he should pay me more or just leave it and not rock the boat. In the police they pay large amounts into pension, so the maintenance is only claculated after that comes out. When i google inspector salary is was £49k.

Thye have very expensive holidays, maldives etc and numerous cars, motorbikes etc then he goes out of his way each time he sees me to tell me he is skint.
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No. Definitely do it anyway. The money they award you will be calculated from the day you register. If he gets another promotion then it will all add up.

bluetrampolines

But op hasn’t been stopped getting maintenance she just isn’t get the amount she previously got. £300 is a lot for one child.

£300 is a lot for one child.

What made you decide that ^? It's not a lot at all based on the total cost of raising a child. It's just that with tax, as with most other things, on tgthe e whole, the more people earn, the more they are able to dodge paying their way.

He apparently earns £942 per week but you think the £69 per week he pays towards his child is 'a lot'.

The £942 is presumably his gross weekly salary (only based on the ops google skills - she would need to verify this). So this would not be his take home pay, he would have tax, pension, student loan etc to pay. He has to be able to live himself, provide a home for your child to stay over in and support them when they with him.
CMS calculate based on a percentage of gross salary less pension (it is 12% of this amount for 1child). But there are deductions for the overnights he has and for the other children that live with him. You would have to work out whether this amount would be more than the amount you're receiving. I personally think £300 is ok if he is having dc overnight as well.

The child maintainence calculator shows £355 a month (~£82) a week if he's on 49k with 3 children living in the house, provided he's having your DS 1-2 nights a week not 2-3 overall.
I would leave it how it is if I were you.

And that doesn't take into account pension deductions bounce. I think she should leave it too but each to their own.

No one knows if it's okay because no one, OP included knows his actual income.

- first children do not take presidence over any new family. Where did you read that? Legally that’s not the case at all. And morally it’s wrong

Not morally wrong at all ! The existing children should be taken care of properly before someone either makes another family with a new partner or takes on responsibility for a new partner’s children. It’s appalling to think otherwise.

All children should be treated the same. 1st children aren’t more important.

God, I could just imagine what would happen if I took the kids out and said to my DSC - sorry, no ice creams for you today. My own kids are more important.

No ones more important. All kids should be treated the equally.

When your kids go to their dads are you happy for them to be treated as 2nd best?

If he has ranked up to Inspector he will be on a higher salary banding, therefore more money.

As duty inspector he will cover dayshift, so no shift allowance. Yes he will be getting less salary bumps due to loss of allowance but the inspector salary increase will more than compensate for that.

I would definitely investigate this further with the CSA.

@PlatypusPie

Ok but if another family is made, all of the children are still innocent. Should all of the children not be treated the same? Why should the children from the first marriage be treated better?

An inspector will earn at least £49k. They don’t get any overtime for bank holidays/working over. I’m not sure if they get shift allowance.
Use the online calculator to see what you’d get taking into account the three step kids and if you want to go through CMS.

Duty inspectors don’t just cover day shift. They work nights too but the shift allowance is next to nothing anyway. Have a look at the police federation website if you need to know more.

I’m not sure whether to be appalled or reassured at the comments on here of exes either trying to get out of paying their way for their own kids or by those who still have the kids (majority being the mums at a guess) being too afraid to “rock the boat”’for fear that they will lose the tiny amount that already have. I ended up on here as I have been through a similar situation (minus the step kids bit). My ex walked away refusing to contribute to anything from the day he left except the bare csa defined minimum for his kids (he runs his own company which I helped financially set up and earns close to £70k a year at last check). I take nothing from him for myself in terms of maintenance but I managed to get an agreement in our fincacial consent order that as I had to work full time to support the kids and always have done, that he would contribute to 50% of childcare costs in addition to maintenance. Which he does, or did until I stopped him having the children overnight on a school night recently due to the schools feedback that it was too disruptive for my son. I have offered for him to still see them on those nights but all I have done is ask that they sleep at home ready for the school day. As a retaliation (and because he is basically a vindictive s.o.b.) he is now refusing to pay his 50% childcare based on a technicality. Anyway I digress, rightly or wrongly the number of people on here that seem to be in a similar situation of fighting to ask the father of their children to forcefully rather than voluntarily contribute to a reasonable amount for the upbringing of their children is shocking! (But also reassuring that I’m not alone).

I agree with some others £300 is a decent amount for 1 child people get a lot less & they have a few kids and the dad isn’t involved. I can see how it must be difficult that your ex has started a new family but the line does have to be drawn. £300 per month for the year could get you a nice holiday too.

I calculated it.
Paying for 1 child who he has less then 1 night a week (in my experience every other weekend classes as less than or equal to one night a week, even if a few extra overnights in holidays, and evenings where he dosent stay over night dont count In the calculation), living with 3 children and a income of 49k

You would be entitled to £411 per month.

If he has your son 1-2 nights a week it would be £352 per month.

It really depends on what his likely income actually is.

But to clarify in my experience, eow weekend for 2 nights is still classed as 52 or less nights a year, even if additional nights are had over holidays etc. As it's often down to here say as to how many nights and if the mum says every other weekend or less then 52 then they will stick with that, but not saying that is right, just that's been our experience.

But be warned. Many people who are setting up cms cases now are not getting paid as paying parents are being told not to pay until cms have calculated and tell them to, but cms has ground to a halt due to corona virus. So if you do go to cms it may be worth waiting till we come out the other side and things resume to some semblance of normality. Otherwise you may be left for months with no income

Really don't understand the vitriol toward the new partner's salary not being considered.

The new partner & ex seem to get the best of all worlds -

• An extra income in household
• Reduced liability for the children from prior relationships if new partner has children.
• Maintenance for the children (if living with them)

On the other hand the single parent raising the children alone receives reduced maintenance yet bears all the costs alone. I'd be quite happy for new partner's income to disregarded but only their children / subsequent children were also disregarded. Of course the non-resident parent has the right to start a new life but it is morally abhorrent to make that at the expense of the RP and children.

@Summerstrawberries666 I'd play around with the calculator before you approach CMS as you risk receiving even less.. It's not fair and it's not right but it's the way it is. Sorry if things are hard for you, it's not easy raising children alone.