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Advice for my brother in law - newly single parent

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looneytune · 28/06/2006 14:15

Some of you may possibly have seen my thread on the relationships section about my silly sister leaving her dh and kids.

Well, I've advised my sister to leave the children with their dad rather than move them to a whole new area where they know nothing and nobody. I'm hoping that she has now changed her mind about fighting for custody but IF she tries to persue it, has anyone got any advice or anything for my BIL? Will the courts go against him because he'd be working and using a childminder (probably) after school? Is there anything he can do to make things look better for him? Would the fact that the WHOLE of my family (my sisters obviously) are on the fathers side help?

Also, ANY info about what single working parents are entitled to would be great.

The children are 8 and 5.

That's it really, many thanks

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FioFio · 28/06/2006 16:55

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ScummyMummy · 28/06/2006 17:00

Kisses all round.

looneytune · 29/06/2006 09:34

This is the first opportunity I?ve had to come back and post as I was on a course til late last night. Before I put this post together, I re-read my posts and realise all the talk on MN has been about BIL and I?ve hardly mentioned my helping my sister out. Suppose because I thought I?d said enough (I do tend to go on ) and what I?ve been doing with my sister was sort of not relevant to what I was trying to get advice on. However I?ve now come across as a total b*tch I?m going to try and reply to each of your posts but forgive me if I miss you out, won?t be intended.

Zippitippitoes ? when I say unfit parent, I mean at the moment due to her state of mind etc. We are really really trying to help but at the moment apart from our chat on Monday, she?s been saying she doesn?t want to talk about it, that she plans to take the kids away and that?s it. The kids have been in tears as they don?t want to move away and all I?ve been trying to do is help the kids. Of course I tried to talk her round to coming back to the area and her having custody (which the father agreed to) but she said she wanted to be near her boyfriend and can?t bear leaving him. BTW, I have tried to see if she will get help and told her I was really worried about her etc. but if she doesn?t want help, what else can I do but keep trying. In the meantime I?m afraid the kids come first. Not because I don?t love my sister but because the children really need help right now and because her mind is so up and down, I?m worried about the long term affects.

Flutterbee - she?s not getting the cold shoulder at all, we?re just using a direct approach and on Monday she totally agreed. I told her I was there for her whenever she wants to pick up the phone and that I hoped she didn?t mind me being so direct but I was worried about the decisions she was making as she seemed very unsure. She said she understood and then told me the kids cried about leaving school so she can see why it?s best to leave them there. As for the slagging off comment, I wouldn?t normally but she was being so cruel to her xdh at the time (this was last year, not slagged off since). My sister had done extremely well loosing weight, I used to call every single week to ask how she got on at WeightWatchers, dead proud I was. Then she started saying to her h that he was too fat and needed to loose weight etc. This man was slim years ago but never put my sister down for her weight etc, just encouraged her. She looses weight which is great but how incredibly cruel to start saying horrible things like that to him because she?s decided now she?s lost the weight, she doesn?t want a bigger man.

ScummyMummy - as mentioned above, I am there for her when I can get hold of her which incredibly hard so she certainly doesn?t feel I?m taking sides. I?ve suffered with depression lots which is why I have been understanding etc. She asked for my honest advice so I told her the 2 options in my opinion. Believe me, if she at all felt I wasn?t supporting her, she would have kicked me out as this is what she?s like all the time. BTW, she admitted in the end that he wasn?t violent at all, just a little push which I agreed is not on but understandable and she agreed (won?t go on as this is getting a bit long as usual!)

Anniemac - I agree I think I?ve become too involved, I only wanted to help him get more money as sis walked out on job so can?t give any money so he needs extra help now. The custody advice was just in case but I set this thread up and he knew nothing about it so we weren?t in cahoots. Totally agree about trying to find an in-between and BIL was all for that (sis told me), it?s just she has actually told me she?s chosen the new boyfriend over the kids ? her words, not mine.

Yes, she was primary carer as in took them to school and brought them back but she didn?t do much more than that (she?s always laughed about how lazy she is ? h got back from work, cooked, washed clothes, ironed etc etc, the one time she makes herself something for dinner she forgets to ask h if he wants anything as she?s not used to doing it herself etc etc etc). I?m not saying that makes her a bad parent before anyone jumps on me, just that she?s not very good at coping with having to do everything which is what she?d have to do if they moved away.

This is getting a bit long and I hope I?ve covered the main things. My concerns are what?s best for the kids NOW and if she sticks with ?it?s best they stay with their dad for now until I sort myself out? then we?re all happy. We?re not saying she shouldn?t have the kids full stop and neither is BIL (he really is a good bloke you know), it?s just there?s lots of stuff going on and my sister needs to sort herself out first (she can?t decide where to live, what to do, drinking loads all of a sudden (trying to get her to admit this so can help), taking money out of kids accounts to cover what she wants etc etc etc.).

I DO love my sister and want to help and am trying, but for now I?m afraid it?s the innocent kids I?m looking out for should it get nasty with her.

Gosh, this is so hard as I know my own family and I?ve never been very good at expressing myself in RL or in words like this. All I can say is please believe that my heart is in the right place, I could never be cold like some people think I am. I'm always been critised for being too sensitive to other people's feelings all the time.

Anyway, thanks for your comments

Would my BIL be welcome on mumsnet now? I'm worried as he really needs support and advice at the moment and I did recommend this place to him but I'm worried he'll get attacked now?

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looneytune · 29/06/2006 09:59

BTW, Monday all ended with a hug - she doesn't really do hugs but as I walked out I said 'come here' and gave her a big squeeze and told her I was here if she needed me. I hope that means she feels supported.

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zippitippitoes · 29/06/2006 10:08

I'm not surprised that your sister is in some turmoil as to what to do for the best. I don't think the children would suffer in the longer term from moving to a different area. Parents' marriage break up is always traumatic for all concerned and I think when the family turns against one of the parents it can only make the situation more difficult for the children who really don't know who to believe.

It's clearly much more difficult for the mother who has no car and no job to start over in a new place than it is for a man in employment and who drives and who stays in the marital home. I still think that your sister is in an unenviable position. I would advise both parents to get legal advice. Your sister is entitled to a financial settlement from the marriage. She should also get advice on housing.

There are lots of people on mn who have have left partners and faced problems but ultimately they can be overcome with help and support.

jellyjelly · 29/06/2006 10:08

I think you are doing well looney to support him throught what is a very difficult time. I would still tell him to come on here as i have learnt alot about being a single parent whilst trying to learn for myself. It will be hard for him as it is for all of us but as people say it will get better (still trying to believe that myself) in time. Please remember that you cant explain everything about her or the situation written as well as you know.
xx

looneytune · 29/06/2006 10:16

Thanks jelly - I'm going to leave my justifying now as I think I know my family well and all I'm trying to do is help prevent rash decisions being made. There is much much more to the situation (and my sister) and I know my family so best left at that. I'm not the type to get into any arguements and I'm just too tired to say anything else on the subject (was tossing and turning from 3-5am about what to do about everything and then had to be up at 6am). Anyway, waiting for a call back from my sister, she is getting support (and agrees that she needs to know what she wants before she rushes into anything)

Thanks jelly. BTW, I sent you an email about 5 mins ago checking on you so make sure you reply!!!

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heavenis · 29/06/2006 10:26

looneytune, your doing a great job, keep going.

anniemac · 29/06/2006 12:13

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looneytune · 29/06/2006 14:25

Thanks for the extra info. I said I wasn't going to do any more justifying, I really don't have the time or energy to keep trying to explain the situation but very quickly (and this is the last post about their situation).......my sister has been open about her reasons for leaving and it's not that her xh has done anything wrong, just that she never loved him and they got married for the wrong reasons. She fell pregnant after about 3 months of casually seeing him, married 6 months after her ds was born as thought right thing to do, wasn't maternal but also wasn't careful to stop getting pregnant as it meant she wouldn't have to work (she said this), my parents put them up for ages and my mum did the daytime bringing up of both children until they were about 1 (she also agrees with this). Lots more I could go into about how my parents have helped financially and the way she's ALWAYS treated them i.e. one min doesn't want anything to do with them then calls when she wants money being all polite and the last time they nicely asked if she could try elsewhere first (it was for a 2nd car she wanted) and of course they would always help if she couldn't source it (said this coz the way she'd treated them and also because they are running out of money) so she hung up and wants nothing more to do with them because they didn't just lend the money.

I totally, totally agree that they shouldn't be together. My mum wanted to leave my dad when I was about to give birth to ds and I was all for helping. My only problem is that she's made it very very clear she doesn't know whether or not she wants to move away and therefore I don't think this is the right time to move them. She needs to be sure!

I feel for a lot of single mothers who've been in horrible relationships and broken free, I have friends in the same boat and fully support them. This is however not the case with my sister (it's VERY easy to read when she's covering things up and she was totally honest on Monday and said it's just she doesn't want to be with him!)

BTW, the reason she left was purely because the boyfriend was released on bail to his parents address 2 hrs away and she wanted to be with him. Not that she's finally broken free from an awful marriage.

Right, that's it. I'm very grateful for all the information received but I think I will make a note of the details and try and get this thread deleted. I really don't want my BIL to come here for advice and support and read this.

Thanks

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lizziemun · 30/06/2006 13:35

looneytune

i think you doing a good job supporting you bil and his dcs. I also think you are trying to help your sister in deciding what will be the best for their children.

i'm fairly new to this site but i find it strange that although looneytunes has given a brief outline of what happen most still think that you BIL must have done something. I'm sorry if this upsets more expeirence poster but from what i've read looneytunes BIL is one who has been left. Why are people judging him as if he had left his wife then you would all supporting her and slating her partner, why isn't he getting the same support.

once again i sorry if this upsets anyone, but i think that looneytunes you are doing the right thing and hope that BIL and children and your sister can find a way to make what has happen work so the children aren't upset anymore then they have been.

shimmy21 · 30/06/2006 14:00

Yes. I've been shocked too at some of the rancur addressed at LT and her BIL on this thread. The poor woman came on here obviously distressed about her sister, BIL and the children and instead of help has been on the receiving end of bitter accusations that seem to stem from an 'All men are bastards' school of thought.

Shame on you Mumsnet -you've let yourself (and LT) down this time

looneytune · 30/06/2006 16:37

Thanks lizziemun and shimmy21. I did actually get very upset about this and started for feel awful and questioning what I'm doing with my sister but all my family and friends of the family who know us have all re-assured me and I've decided that not everyone in life agrees with each other and tried not to let it stress me out anymore.

My sister called today and we're hoping she's now going to join us in our activities which will be nice. She wouldn't have asked to join us if I was that much of a cow

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looneytune · 01/07/2006 19:34

Well, I was so right about all this. At my brothers with 3 kids and no brother - why??? because he's on his way to wales (2 hrs away) to go and get my sister who has been kicked out!!! Who called and asked for help? - BIL. He found out and wanted to go and help her but he also has no car at the moment.

So, that's that - sister very unstable, we are there to help but this just shows how right we were about trying to stop her removing the kids from school!

Right, off to pump up 3 beds!

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MadamePlatypus · 01/07/2006 20:18

I am not experienced with these kind of situations, but can't help thinking that it is good that LT is in dialogue with BIL. I have no idea who would get custody, but assuming BIL gets custody, isn't it better for LT's sister that everybody is talking e.g. BIL might be more willing to share custody with sister/agree more access if he is still talking to his wifes family than if they are all daggers drawn?

looneytune · 02/07/2006 03:50

Thanks, that's exactly what this was all about to start with. Having friendly contact (not going behind backs) and just trying to help the situation.

Anyway, brother got back about 2 hours ago and confirmed that there's no way she'll be going back. Him and this bloke had big fight and well, long story but she's home for now and trying to sort her head out!

Boy am I going to be knackered in the morning when the kids wake up - can't believe how late it is!

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