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I hate that DD likes xp's new partner...

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Aimsmum · 23/04/2006 20:24

and I hate that I feel like this, but I can't help it!

I'm sort of torn between wanting DD to have a nice time when she is with her dad and hating that she seems to like his girlfriend!

She has only really met her on 3 occassions so it's all just a bit new and hard to get used to hearing DD talk about her I suppose!

It's not because I am jealous that xp has a partner, or that I want to be with him or anything, it's more that I hate that he has never been a proper dad to her and now seeing them playing happy families when he has had no interest in her before and I have alway done everything on my own is quite hard. And probably that i don't want to share DD with anyone else and a million different other things.

It's hard trying to be cheery and nice about her infront of DD and i am just feeling horrible about it and hating it!!

Any advice or experience, will it start to feel better?? Sad

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Caligula · 26/04/2006 22:04

Agree with Cod. It is so much easier to grit your teeth and be nice. Never forget Oscar Wilde's advice: "I always forgive my enemies. Nothing annoys them so much" (or something along those lines). And it's true. Niceness either disarms or wears them down and at some stage, it begins to be natural and you'll find you do it without even gritting your teeth. Long term, that will be better for you and your dd.

cod · 26/04/2006 22:04

ive done it before
apprently i am MOst convincing

Aimsmum · 27/04/2006 10:11

Thanks both.

I can pretend to be nice.....I have done it may times before in the past Grin

Hopefully it will make a difference in the long run, even though it will kill me to be nice! Smile

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Nikkinoo · 27/04/2006 10:25

Not read all of the posts Aimsmum, but for what its worth its better that she likes her than hates her. When my ex got with his internet floosy (!) after 5 weeks of knowing her i went crazy, but they are good together my kids dont looooove her but they think shes ok (her personality is a bit quiet for my kids). The way I see it at least if they are nice to her she will be good to them when they are in her presence as my kids stay at their dads quite abit. She is now pregnant and I am very happy for them.

and my partner is a far better dad now than he was when we were together, I accept that now though it used to really piss me off

GOOD LUCK [SMILE]

Nikkinoo · 27/04/2006 10:26

OOOPS Smile

Caligula · 27/04/2006 10:47

I've been thinking more about this and I think one of the reasons why BM's and stepmothers are at loggerheads, is because of the lack of choice in the relationship - very similar to that of a MIL and DIL, where neither woman would have chosen the circumstances in which they are forced to have this connection.

Except that it is even worse, because at least if you loathe your MIL, you can have some control over how she influences / treats your child. With a step-mother, you have no control at all. And as I said in my first post, with any other child-carer or person who has some kind of influence on your child, you have some control - teachers, childminders, nursery workers etc. are all educated or at least trained and vetted. With the "unsuitable" mothers of your kid's friends, you can limit the playdates or recognise the fact that they don't have much influence anyway; but with a step-mother, you have no control whatsoever. Now if you're lucky, your xp will choose to be with someone who has broadly the same values as you and although she may be different in detail (which can be irritating but bearable), in essence she's someone you would be perfectly happy to leave in charge of your child if she were a childminder, a teacher, a friend, or some other neutral carer and you hadn't encountered her in the step-mother role. If you're unlucky of course, he chooses someone who you believe is not suitable to look after anybody's children, let alone yours and in any other situation, the state would protect you from being forced to hand over your child into the care of someone you believe to be an unsuitable person. In this case, it insists you do.

The problem of being a lone mother with an ex who has a partner, is that you just have to accept the fact that this is what you have to do and you have to learn to do it with some kind of grace. (The Alcoholics Anonymous prayer springs to mind: Grant me the courage to change the things I can, the serenity to accept the things I can't and the wisdom to know the difference.) It's very easy for me to say that, because at present I don't have that problem; but if you don't come to terms with it, it has the potential to eat you up for years and ensure that the relationship between you and your ex continues to be a different battleground than the one you had when you were with him. And as long as the relationship is a battleground rather than at worst a neutral no-mans-land, that is very detrimental both to yourself and to your child.

And the other thing you have to learn to do, is continue to be confident in your own methods and ways of doing things and set firm boundaries and expectations for your child, so that even if she regularly enters another household where your values are not being upheld, you can somehow ensure that the values your child grows up with are yours, not those of someone whose values directly conflict with yours. And of course, recognise that as she gets older, your DD is going to increasingly be inluenced by values which are contrary to yours - but if you've managed to instill yours from an early age, then all you can do is hope some of what you've tried to teach, will stick.

It's very very tough to do this - it's tough enough to fight for your values to come through amid the constant and normal peer pressure and media and other noise fighting for our children's attention. And I think the constant undermining of lone parent's parenting must contribute to the poorer outcomes for children of lone parents; but if you're aware of it, then you can avoid falling into some of the traps which lone parents often do. The most common one being, not being able to distinguish between what is a genuine concern, and what is simply a kneejerk response to being forced into a relationship you don't want and wouldn't have chosen. As I said, very much like so many of us have with our MILs.

Sorry to go on, but I'm sort of half thinking aloud and hoping some of this waffle will be useful to you. Smile

Aimsmum · 27/04/2006 20:15

Thanks nikkinoo, it's good to hear that it got much easier for you, so much so that you are happy for them that his girlfriend is pregnant Smile

Wow Caligula, fantastic post, thanks for taking the time to do it. Most of what you said has really hit home. It is totally about the lack of control I now have over the situation, much more than anything else.

My xp and i do actually have a pretty good relationship which we have really worked hard at building up over time and I really don't want this to be the thing that will knock that, as it is so so much easier when everything isn't a battle and I can actually depend on him occassionally.

But I absolutely take on board about what you say about sticking to my rules and boundaries, I do think this is important for all the reasons you mention, as it is so easy to feel undermined!

Thanks so much for your input, it has really meant a lot and has been really valuable Smile

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Nightynight · 27/04/2006 21:18

hi Aimsmum
I saw this post earlier, and just wanted to add that Ive been in this situation too, and also found it upsetting, though acknowledging the truth of what Caligula says.

I think that a teddy was a tactless present, because it is such an object of love for a small child, though it was almost certainly well meant. It's just the sort of thing that someone who hasnt had children of their own would choose. Having read this thread, I'd tread very carefully, and maybe choose something like a drawing book, or food, that wouldnt last long.

On the bright side though, if she gets on well with your dd and if she does marry your ex, then at least you know that your dd would be ok if anything ever happened to you (God forbid).

Aimsmum · 28/04/2006 10:10

Thanks Nightynight, it's nice to hear others felt the same in a similar situation!Smile

Although the thought of DD living with them if something were to happen to me fills me with dread. I would much rather she were brought up by my mum or her godparents (my best friends). But hopefully it will be something I will never have to worry about too much Smile

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Caligula · 28/04/2006 18:54

Glad to be of service Aimsmum!

I meant to say as well, that just because I'm saying you have to live with it, doesn't mean I don't sympathise with it. It is something which is very rarely discussed or properly acknowledged, and yet most mothers if confronted with the prospect of handing their children over to somebody they really disliked or whose values were very different from theirs, would freak. But when they hear lone mothers freaking, they tell them off because "it's her right to see her father" blah blah as if we don't know that.

I have a cousin who is a step-mother and a mother and she can't stand her ex's new partner and continually complains about how the woman is incapable of looking after her children. She then complains loudly about what a difficult bitch her DH's ex is, always complaining about the way they do things with her DSD's. I am very fond of my cousin, but often think how much easier her life would be if she had a wee bit of empathy and understanding. Wink It makes me laugh that she's on both sides of the fence at the same time, and yet she cannot for the life of her see the other women's view at all.

Ah well, families are always so entertaining. I'm off to see her now. Smile

claireh11 · 29/04/2006 09:20

Hi I feel for you as a step mum myself I get on really well with my dh's ex wife and she loves our son to bits.

On the other hand my WICKED step mother did the opposite with me and my sister and convinced our dad not to see us anymore. Last time I saw him I was 8 months pregnant. He used to have us for the wkend every other week, then all of a sudden there wasn room for us to stay. Me and dh dont have a spare room for step daughters to stay - you make room. They dont mind sleeping in the lounge at all and ds loves coming down to them in the morning and jumping on them lol.

Just try in time to get on civily with his new partner, it will make things so much easier on your dd and you for the future.

Good Luck Grin

Lulabye · 05/05/2006 23:50

Hey Aims - don't despair, as hard as it may be. My kids were VERY young when my ex left (by young, I mean youngest was 10wks old max.) Anyway, they are now 6 and 4.5yrs and ex has married "the other woman". I struggled with her involvement to begin with and wouldn't allow her to be around the girls - afterall, they were still getting to know their own Mummy! However, they now say they like her - they don't rave about her, but they do like her. I have to ask myself, what would I rather? Would I be happy to let my girls go with their dad knowing that they hate his new wife? No. As much as it may hurt, surely you'd rather your daughter be happy, and/or comfortable with this new lady? I think someone has already said it - and be assured it's true - no matter how nice this other lady is, no matter how much your DD may like her - she ISN'T and never can be YOU! You are her Mummy and nothing can prevent that. She comes home to you and always will. She'll grow up know exactly who is and always has been there for her. In fact, she knows that now - however young she is. These are words that people have said to me too - as I've been there myself. I totally understand how you feel. Just let it wash over you because otherwise you may become bitter and twisted and that will do you nor your DD any good. It WILL get better. I promise.

mistressmiggins · 06/05/2006 08:15

Lulabye

great post
it helps to know that other people have been there and come through the other side

I find the fact tghat this other woman not only has my husband but will soon be playing happy families with our children very vbery hard to deal with
BUT I am trying and to read your post gives me hope cos I totally agree - far better that my kids like the woman they have to spend weekends with rather than hate going there

it is crap though and I guess I would just like my ex to acknowledge how Im feeling - how would he be feeling if Id had the affair & run off with the man AND the children?

rickman · 06/05/2006 08:57

Hello MM. Back where I belong now! :o

My kids still haven't met exp's new girlfriend, he hasn't mentioned it again.

She seems to be spending more and more time at his house though. I have to drive past on the way to school and her car is frequently parked outside, feel like i'm having my nose rubbed in it really.

I still can't get my head around why a woman with children of her own, would get involved with a man who pays as little maintenance as possible and was happy to see his children homeless. I would run a mile, she is quite obviously mad or completely desperate.

mistressmiggins · 06/05/2006 13:08

I know someone else similar to your ex's situation - beggars belief doesnt it

and yes, I know you cant help who you fall in love with BUT you can still choose to walk away rather than have an affair

my H left me and moved str in with her - they are on their 2nd house together in 6 months
he cant be by himself - hates his own company

does your ex tell the kids what is going on or act like an ostrich?
I am wondering what exactly ex tells my children as yesterday DS said to me "ring daddy up and tell him to make up his mind whether he wants to stay in his new house or come home" Shock
I have been very str from the beginning that daddy was never coming home but wonder what ex is telling DS....probably too chicken to come out with the truth so skirts around it - lets face it H even said to me a month ago "coming back is not what I want to do right now"

Caligula · 08/05/2006 13:56

Interesting the point you make about acknowledgement MM. I think sometimes, that's all people want. If only they got it, a lot of bad feeling and problems would almost instantly disappear or drop to a negligible level.

mistressmiggins · 08/05/2006 20:51

Caligula - I want EVERYONE to acknowledge how I feel (but not MN cos you lot do listen & understand Grin

as simple as it sounds, it WOULD make a difference

I want ex to be honest with our son - DS STILL thinks that daddy is "confused" (his words not mine) and isnt sure whether to come home

I want ex to acknowledge that hes been a complete sh#t and has changed ALL of our lives - 3 of us without choice

I want my family & friends to understand or at least give me space to grieve for my past and future....had a conversation with my dad last night & explained that I have lost my planned future - parents evenings; university passes' first jobs; childrens' marriages; childrens' babies

yes they will still happen but I wont be sitting at home drinking champagne with hubby to enjoy

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