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Can we make our own 'from our own correspondent'

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teafortwo · 30/07/2008 00:07

I love love love this radio show...

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/default.stm

Can we please please please have a thread that has a vibe a bit like this?

We can have a bunch of parents who live all over the World in all kinds of countries (including Blighty), with all kinds of neighbours and themselves living in all kinds of situations (rural, city, suburbs and anything inbetween) explaining what is happening where they live. Day to day things (what is on sale at your local market, what you ate for lunch), portraits of figures in your community (e.g a lovely old village character), big news stories (e.g student riots), little news stories (a much loved dog has died that used to wander around the town centre), arguements in the cafe (sport, politics, religion), music and dance (e.g I notice all Parisian teenagers like to do this weird wiggling dance and they even have lessons for how to do it on national telly), observations on things that are different from where you come from (I don't know...e.g a New Yorker's take on living in the Lake District), interesting discussions on languages spoken... etc etc... I think it could be fun!!!

So tell me...

Am I making sense?

and..

What do you think? Shall we give it a go?

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AuldAlliance · 30/07/2008 20:36

Do I get to be OOC for the Luberon?

Here it is baking hot: 45°C according to the neighbour's thermometer by his front door (in the sun, admittedly). There is not a breath of wind and tempers are short.

Usually the kids play out on our little pedestrian square for ages, in the shade of the huge lime tree, but currently they keep having to be separated/told off/dragged indoors/smacked soundly round the head (delete as appropriate according to nationality and therefore parenting methods...). DS was cautioned three times today for generally pissing other kids off, before I hauled him in after he'd nicked the neighbours' DD's shoes and run off with them, leaving her crying on the baking paving stones. He claimed "it was pour qu'elle les reconnaît later, I put them beside her maison".

I have been going crazy washing sofa covers, cushion covers, pillows, bedding etc., taking advantage of the heat which dries things in a few hours. Once the line on the terrace was full, I hung some pillow cases and DS's sheets from the balcony on the third floor, in defiance of one of the municipality's more obscure (and, I suspect, racist) bye-laws. Yes, the hanging of washing from buildings is banned here, despite the fact that the heart of the old town mainly comprises tall, narrow, medieval houses, where drying anything larger than a hanky or pair of knickers any other way is well-nigh impossible.

If the Luberon correspondent does not return, you'll know she was nicked for openly and subversively flouting vital local legislation.

teafortwo · 30/07/2008 20:47

Where do you live welliesandpyjamas? What a horrific story - but an important one. Tell us more. How did such a horrible thing occur? When did it occur? Who was behind the massacre and what is happening in that village to remember it and carry on living?

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scouserabroad · 30/07/2008 21:30

I'm in France too, south Brittany. There are (I think) two other mumsnetters here, maybe we can take it in turns lol

teafortwo · 30/07/2008 21:42

Hello French friends!!!

I think everyone should just type when you fancy it!

I was in Brittany last week. We went to a dog show... no words to describe it but beer, Bretons speaking Breton and dogs doing or rather not doing agility and so the owners doing it instead!!!... very funny - we had a great time! Really good fun!

Do you know any Breton Scouserabroad?

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hughjarssss · 30/07/2008 21:57

Where is the Luberon?

Dispite my geographical ignorance I loved your post AuldAlliance - I love hearing about everyday life from different countries and esp. the small details like the washing and all the dc playing up in the heat!

I'm a wannabe traveller, I'd love to travel the world visiting all different cultures so I love reading all about them.

T42 - I heart you for starting this thread!

scouserabroad · 30/07/2008 22:38

I only know one word of Breton, and that is kenavo (goodbye) I don't actually know any Breton speakers, I don't think that there are many in my area. I may be wrong tho, just mixing in the wrong circles lol.

Here is my report for today, I'm writing about my neighbour because she's the Frenchest person I know, down to the vin rouge & saucisson with a half baguette for lunch.

My neighbour is old, she isn't sure how old because she was taken into care way back in the 1920s and somehow, her exact date of birth seems to have been lost. She tells anyone who asks that she is 87. She has survived losing her parents, raising six children with her violent, alcoholic husband, and years of backbreaking work as a farm labourer. She is five foot one, and has a way of saying "mmm" just like Marge Simpson when something annoys her.

She still cycles to the shops, cuts the grass with a massive petrol mower, keeps chickens and geese, walks her dog every day, and still finds the time to dispense advice about topics as varied as babyfood (Oatcakes for babies, now that's interesting. Of course, I only ever fed mine proper food) and how to run the country (that Sarkozy, he should watch that Carla, or he'll be sorry). She also likes making numerous complaints to the council, police, gas, water and electricity companies. If ever a council employee so much as breathes the wrong way whilst repairing the road in front of her house, she will be on the phone to the council before anyone has time to say "ouf".

If I'm making her sound like a narky old bat, that's because she is. But she's always got time for a chat, and I've grown to like her. DD1 loves her, always running over for a hug.

Califrau · 30/07/2008 22:44

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claudiaschiffer · 30/07/2008 23:59

Brightongirldownunder and suzywongs posts about drivers in Australia made me laugh, the big news in Adelaide today is that the poor drivers here can't cope with Emergency Sirens and get stunned into crashing their cars into each other every time they hear a police car go dashing past. Apparently this leads to 10 smashes a week and $2million of insurance claims a year.

I think drivers in Adelaide are particularly dim. We have huge wide roads here and hardly any traffic so you have to try really hard to crash into anyone else .

All this talk of 40 degree heat in the Northern hemisphere is making me very envious. Here we are in the midst of mid-winter - Adelaide has a Mediterranean climate, hot dry summers and cold wet winters. To relieve some of the winter depression people here do Christmas in July, with a big Turkey, decorations, tree etc. Dunno if you get presents? Or if they just stuff themselves.

Loving this thread btw.

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suzywong · 31/07/2008 01:10

TITER!
So it really is true what the rest of the country thinks about Adelaide?

claudiaschiffer · 31/07/2008 01:33

YES! Apparently it is - picture a city full of Mr Magoo's and nervous little old ladies driving alongside competitive mothers wearing D & G shades with masses of blonde highlights careering about in HUGE BMW 4 x 4s. Tis a recipe for disaster .

MrsSprat · 31/07/2008 03:43

It's been the wettest July in Toronto since records started, capped today by a monumental thunderstorm this morning. Not enough to rain off 'Wakestock' this weekend on the Toronto Islands. For those that don't know (and frankly, I didn't), wakeboarding is the board-equivalent of water-skiing. We didn't actually go, we instead went to see a rare baseball win by the Toronto Blue Jays. Becoming a mother has made me much more prone to emotions, I felt my eyes pricking at the National Anthems, they played both O Canada and the S.Spangled Banner, as the Jays were playing Seattle. Fortunately my chilli-dog arrived soon after, putting paid to all that.

Canadian news feels much slower than UK or US, even in the delivery by newscasters. So I fear there won't be much to relay on that front. It's quite quaint really, there was a very, very long piece on bicycle theft on the main news the other night with vox pops from mildly put-out Toronto residents. Certainly makes a change from the doom and gloom of Gordo, the economy and nightly stabbings I left behind in the UK, but takes some getting used to.

MrsJohnCusack · 31/07/2008 05:25

OOOh I like this

signing in from Christchurch, NZ, where the big news is the storm. It's now hit Canterbury and MArlborough and my dad can't drive up to their second house in the Marlborough Sounds because the road is closed. Yup, the main and only road north (well unless you go round the other way which takes forever but still involves mountains so is prob closed anyway). If you could SEE the main road north you would laugh your heads off, at times it is laughable tiny - but obviously perfectly adequate seeing as you rarely hit that much traffic.
Anyway. It's pissing down. My heat pump is broken and the man won't come today because the outside bit is covered in water and when he has to take the cover off 'it'll be buggered'. Gotta love that Kiwi way with words.

am LOL at the driving. THe driving here is SHITE. We had some woman come to our playgroup last week to talk about road safety, and I and another British woman ranted on for about 20 mins about the crapness of the driving. I think she got the point...

Not very thrilling is it? 'Specially not after Sue's fabby Kenyan story. But lets keep it going and maybe SOMETHING of note will happen for me to report soon....

AuldAlliance · 31/07/2008 07:45

The Luberon is a massif in Provence, roughly south east of Avignon and north of Aix en Provence.
It is a beautiful area, where many parts of the Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources films were shot (as well as that tripe about a City *anker deciding to make wine, with Russel Crowe, the title of which escapes me)...

Hassled · 31/07/2008 07:55

PollyLogos thanks for that - yes, she'll arrive Athens airport so I'll research coaches - I couldn't believe how long the trains took, but coaches hadn't occurred to me as an option. Many thanks.

QuintessentialShadows · 31/07/2008 09:46

It is lovely to read all these!
I really chuckled in gleeful horror at Suedonims school meeting.

I am blushing to admit that I dont either know where luberon is, but it sounds hot and dusty and totally nice.

teafortwo · 31/07/2008 09:50

QuintessentialShadows - nice to see you dropping in! So how did the berry picking go? Any cloudberries to be had?

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MmeLindt · 31/07/2008 10:55

Wonderful stories, I loved the Kenyan school meeting.

Here is the report from Dusseldorf

Today it is very warm and sunny here. We cycled to Kindergarten, a short journey of around 10 minutes. It is still quite quiet here in the mornings as the schools are off for just over one more week.

Lots of people cycle here in our village, just outside Dusseldorf. There were a lot of bikes outside the kindergarten this morning. School children are however not allowed to cycle alone until they have passed their proficiency test in 5th grade.

Most children start walking alone to school (or with friends) from the middle of the first year in school, starting age is normally 6yo. So from around 6 1/2 the children go alone, sometimes even on public transport.

Generally I would say that children here have more freedom, and find it incredible that much older children in UK are still taken to school by their parents.

We have set up the paddling pool in the garden, so that is where we will be this afternoon, with half of the neighbours' kids.

suedonim · 31/07/2008 11:25

I thought I'd better correct a misconception that the school meeting took place in Kenya, before the Kenyan govt decides to sue MN for slander or libel or whatever-it-is! It actually happened in Nigeria. I've nothing further to report as I'm currently lurking in Scotland, enjoying fresh milk, bacon, shopping, 24/7 internet and driving myself wherever and whenever I want. Not enjoying doing my own housework tho.

I'm loving reading about everyone's experiences. I have to say, I've never really had a desire to visit Oz/NZ and you ladies aren't exactly selling it to me now! So come on, tell me why I should want to go to Australia/NZ.

WelliesAndPyjamas · 31/07/2008 12:04

suedonim - mmmmmmmm bacon

AuldAlliance · 31/07/2008 12:31

Not sure I knew where the Luberon really was before we moved here...
I was being overly specific in an effort to stake my claim, as I know there are MNers in various parts of SE France.
Hot, hot, hot again today. Watched some sweltering workers bricking up the entrance to a house along the road which was vacated by a family with 3 small kids last week and which has been deemed unfit for human habitation. That'll be why social services let them live there for over 3 years, then.
DS has been worrying that someone might brick up our house while we're at the park or the ludothèque. Something about my explanation (the woman who owns the house didn't repair things properly and it was dangerous for people to live there) seems to have struck a chord, reflecting badly on my housekeeping skills!

WelliesAndPyjamas · 31/07/2008 13:08

ok, here's my report from central Bosnia but I did warn you this was a sombre one...

Last Sunday was the commemoration day of a massacre of civilians in Vrbanja in 1993. The village has always been a mixture of muslims and catholics (also referred to as Bosnians and Croats, even though they are all born and raised in Bosnia & Herzegovina). It would take me all day to explain why the divisions became so marked and created such problems as they did in the 90s, but let's just throw some words in and you'll get the idea: economic and political instability, unemployment, increased reliance on religion to help people though the difficult times, greed for the region's natural resources, etc. Put all that in a country where religion defines your identity and sadly, some people will get more riled up than others.

In July 1993 in Vrbanja 64 villagers were killed, and 45 were tortured and/or raped. The oldest was 87 and the youngest was 15. Mostly farmers and housewives. All muslim. Killed by their catholic neighbours who had joined the HVO, a croatian defence council created to control the croatian/catholic populated areas of Bosnia.

I have a copy of the report of the events in front of me. The individual stories are all too tragic to tell without me breaking apart here. Even leafing through the photos of the victims make me shake - these are all the types of faces you see walking past you in the street, not strangers far away on a TV screen. However I will tell you the story of one family, whose son is my DH's best friend and who have embraced us in to theirs as their own.

The women and children were sent off to hide in a house with many others from the village. The grandfather, 80, refused to move from the house in which he had been born and raised, saying that he'd never harmed them so why should he fear harm from them. He was dragged off by these 'soldiers', tortured at their headquarters, killed, and dumped by the river. The same happened to his 75 year old brother. The grandmother died a couple of weeks later presumably from the shock. The eldest son, a journalist, politics graduate, and father of two toddlers, was shot as he stood watch over his village and the house in which his mother, wife and children were hiding. All three bodies were found by the remaining son.

Does a family ever recover from such events? To sit in their garden and drink coffee with them, they are a happy family, affectionate and always joking. But there is a shadow of loss over everything. You can almost see the grief that the mother, now in her 60s, is carrying around with her at the loss of her firstborn. The panic comes out of her if any of her grandchildren fall or are hurt whilst playing - she immediately starts wailing that they could die and she'd lose them. The father carried his anger about with him for the rest of his life. It consumed him. He suffered from cancer twice, the first time from throat cancer which took away his ability to talk and express his pent-up anger at losing his father and his firstborn son. The second time was too much for his body and for the doctors, and he died earlier this year. The two sons who lost their father are now 15 and 16 and have turned out to be wonderful young men. The eldest wants to be a journalist like his father and wants the world to know what happened in his village.

On Sunday I was honoured to be a part of the village remembrance service at the muslim graveyard, DS and I probably the only two non-muslims there. The grief that this family holds in the rest of the year came out on that day ? I don?t need to tell you what it was like to sit there and feel it with them. I don't need to tell you either the anger and pain I felt watching the grandchildren of this family praying for their lost father/uncle and other relatives. Words can?t express it.

Although everyone knows who committed the crimes (they had all grown up together after all) no one has yet been brought to trial, fiftenn years later. Many of the ?soldiers? still live in the village. The memorial plaque in the village has a list of the dead and the word "WHY?" on it. Sadly, we all know the answer: religious intolerance.

Cies · 31/07/2008 13:17

WelliesandPyjamas .

How eloquently you put it, and how incomprehensible it is to me that in such recent history such tragic events could have happened so near to home.

MmeLindt · 31/07/2008 13:17

Oh, Wellies.

It is something that is difficult to understand, how this could happen and how the community can then recover from it. How can they bear to look at the perpetrators?

WelliesAndPyjamas · 31/07/2008 13:19

That's the strange thing, MmeLindt, they have to look at them and live next to them and therefore they do, and with a surprising lack of hate. Tbh, they contemplate them with confusion still.

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