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Can we make our own 'from our own correspondent'

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teafortwo · 30/07/2008 00:07

I love love love this radio show...

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/default.stm

Can we please please please have a thread that has a vibe a bit like this?

We can have a bunch of parents who live all over the World in all kinds of countries (including Blighty), with all kinds of neighbours and themselves living in all kinds of situations (rural, city, suburbs and anything inbetween) explaining what is happening where they live. Day to day things (what is on sale at your local market, what you ate for lunch), portraits of figures in your community (e.g a lovely old village character), big news stories (e.g student riots), little news stories (a much loved dog has died that used to wander around the town centre), arguements in the cafe (sport, politics, religion), music and dance (e.g I notice all Parisian teenagers like to do this weird wiggling dance and they even have lessons for how to do it on national telly), observations on things that are different from where you come from (I don't know...e.g a New Yorker's take on living in the Lake District), interesting discussions on languages spoken... etc etc... I think it could be fun!!!

So tell me...

Am I making sense?

and..

What do you think? Shall we give it a go?

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moondog · 22/08/2008 20:04

That's interesting MrsS. I will look it up on map.

MrsSprat · 22/08/2008 20:16

There's also a little airport out there on a manmade island, I think they do local flights and the occasional flight to New York, however, part of the harbour is sectioned off as officially part of the runway. Must be quite a thrill landing there.

teafortwo · 22/08/2008 20:47

MrsSprat - wow.... what a lovely post. Thank you for a moment I was on a Toronto Island too! Magical stuff.

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SuperBunny · 22/08/2008 21:03

MrsSprat, that was a wonderful post

teafortwo · 22/08/2008 21:09

What are the rules for living there.... well.... I can dream can't I????

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MrsSprat · 22/08/2008 21:37

Thanks ladies! A lovely day really can inspire you creatively. Actually SuperBunny, the harbour tours are very similar in tone to those fab 'architectural boat tours' in Chicago - have you been on one of those?

Now, to shatter Tea for Two's dreams (sorry, as you've been so nice!) if the harbour tour guide was being truthful and not just trying to put off glinting-eyed expats and tourists, the rules as I recall are:

  1. Homes can only be passed within families
  2. You need to live there full-time, which can be a bit much in the winter
  3. No new building and no extensive renovations allowed; as most of the property stock was built before 1920, this too requires commitment
  4. If homes do become available, they are offered in a ballot controlled by the City of Toronto. I'm guessing, there's quite a lot of people on the list.

But it only costs $6 to get over there for the day, a bargain indeed.

SuperBunny · 22/08/2008 21:50

Oh yes, I love the architecture tours. If they weren't $20+ and charged full price for small children, I'd take DS on one.

You know how when you pull a cigarette out of a new packet and a few others come up a bit with it so there are 3 or 4 sticking out at different heights? That's what the Sear's Tower is designed from. I learnt that on a boat tour.

What a lovely day out, Tea.

SuperBunny · 22/08/2008 21:52

I don't think there is an apostrophe in Sears

teafortwo · 22/08/2008 22:13

www.toronto.ca/parks/island/index.htm#about

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SuperBunny · 22/08/2008 23:51
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eidsvold · 23/08/2008 09:38

logging in from Canberra where one has taken a brisk walk from the war memorial back to my accommodation. Lovely vista looking down from war memorial to old and new parliament house, then along lake burley griffin ( man made lake), carillon bells in the background and around to my accommodation. Actually walked in the brisk late afternoon air for an hour and a half and it was great.

walked down here

lake burley griffin

carillon

Bloody freezing when I got here - 3 degrees when we landed at the airport. Soon had the big winter coat out ( I Know three is not that cold but it is to my thin qld blood)

Major disaster this morning - got to national archives - none of the files I ordered there despite telling them I would be here on this day that I was making a special trip down etc. And two files that needed to be examined - not even touched GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. The woman at the archives was most apologetic - nothing I could do - documents are kept at different repository so could not even order and wait for them!!!! major cranky letter coming up when I get back - most important reason I came to Canberra.

Tomorrow off to some markets and my dad is driving down to meet me and take me out for an early birthday lunch.

Very jealous of island cruise.

ninedragons · 23/08/2008 15:43

What a pain in the bottom, Eids.

We took DD to the Bund today and caused a near-riot. She has been kissed, squeezed and tickled to her heart's delight. I took a photo from behind her pram (on profile). The Bund is heaving on a Saturday afternoon but to a slightly lesser extent, this is what our life is like most days. Every so often I see a rant on AIBU about someone's DC being patted or photographed by a stranger and I think Jesus Christ, you have NO idea. Being a foreign baby in Shanghai is like having 16 million aunties and grandmothers. Fantastic!

Moondog, we are here because DH owns a consultancy firm that does things like IP protection. We are planning to relocate in November but he will just run things from Sydney, which is only two hours ahead of China.

Here is one for the pub quiz: the whole of China is a single time zone. Way, way over in the west of China, the sun rises at about 10am.

moondog · 23/08/2008 15:53

Ah I see Nine.
Russia has different time zones but all trains run to Moscow time, and leave on the dot. They have ballsed up a lot there but not the railways.

Eids, how annoying.
Hope it doesn't mess up your plans.

Have had a draining day shopping for school shoes, clothes and trainers for the children. It is so hot and the traffic is insane and one can't move without being surrounded by a crowd of about 50. Most are staring, but a lot are door opening/ car parking/packing flunkeys. I know these people are employed which is good but the lack of independence is so annoying. I want to dirve myself, open my own door, push my own trolley and find my own shampoo thanks!

What is really difficult is what to do about the begging. Dear God, the things one sees on a daily basis. People with no arms or/and legs, blind people, cripples,people with horrendous facial tumours, lepers, albinos, tiny women with malnourished babies,children with severe learning disabilities, all surrounding you on the pavement or in the car and tap tap tapping on the window. If you ignore it you feel awful but if you give, suddenly there is a huge scrum as countless others appear.

God, I don't know what to do for the best.

Themasterandmargaritas · 23/08/2008 16:55

Gosh that island cruise sounds divine, how lovely to have an oasis of calm like that all unspoilt and undeveloped. Very Canadian.

Eids, I can't believe how cold it is the archives are not there, how bloody annoying. I hope you enjoy your lunch with your dad.

When dd was about 1 we were in London for almost a year between countries. She was an enormous chubby blue eyed blonde haired cutie pie and every time we went to Hyde Park (3.5 million times a day) she was squidged and photographed by any Chinese or Japanese tourist that went by. So I can imagine the chaos you must cause in Shanghai Nine! Great photo

I can honestly say I had no idea the whole of China is in one time zone, isn't that amazing? Quite bizarre really. Anymore useful bits of info you want to share with us??

Aren't the trains in Russia an experience Moondog? I love the fact that there is this enormous Babushka in each carriage, doling out chai first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Quite an institution.

I have no suggestions about coping with the beggars Moondog, I found it quite overwhelming in Ethiopia too. Sadly, after some time you become immune to it and their suffering. Once a man threw his 4 year old child under the wheels of dh's car as he drove past, the boy was fine, we took him to hospital and gave them some money but it was traumatic to think they were so desperate that they had to risk the life of their child.

moondog · 23/08/2008 17:02

Jeezuz Christ Master!!

Oh yes, the trains! We did lots of trip backandforth from Nizhny to Moscow, also all the way to St Petersburg and back. They really have it sorted.Dear God though, I don't care if I never see another birch tree as long as I live.

It's the smae with bloody poplars in Eastern Turkey.

MmeLindt · 23/08/2008 17:09

Ninedragons
Fantastic photos, your DD is gorgeous, no wonder she has so many admirers.

Also very at the Toronto Islands

Eidsvold
How annoying. Hope the rest of your trip is better.

We slept a little longer than usual today, before DH set off to the baker for fresh rolls. It is common here in Germany to buy fresh rolls for breakfast, if not every day several times a week and always at weekends. Most Germans continue to buy their bread at a bakery rather than in the supermarket.

In recent years it has become more difficult for the small bakers to survive, they compete against the supermarkets who often have their own "Grossbäcker" chain of bakers. Added to this is the advent of the "Billigbäcker" the cheap or discount bakeries.

Traditionally, a baker would arrive at the Backstube at 5am to start work. By the time the first customers arrived at 6.30 am they were greeted by the smell of freshly baked Brot und Brötchen. The baker would make the bread and rolls using his own recipes and they were generally filling and of a high quality.

Nowadays, the market pressure is so strong that many bakers import "Rohlinge" from Eastern Europe, half baked rolls that are merely finished off in the bakers shop.

So the bakery itself is no longer needed, just a shop with a big oven to heat up the Rohlinge. Some companies have gone so far as to remove the friendly bakery sales assisant who would greet the customers, chat to the old ladies and give the DCs a roll gratis, free of charge. The rolls languish in plastic tubs, the customers serve themselves and a cashier tots up the amount to be paid.

The consequences are the loss of the cosy old Bäckerei. The rolls seem to be mainly made out of fresh air, and have no substance to them unlike the yummy crusty rolls that we love.

DH drives to the bakers in the next village as they are one of the few in this area who still have their own Backstübe and do not rely on imported dough. There he buys the most delicious Vollkornbrötchen (Wholemeal rolls) that I have ever tasted and Stütchen or Milchbrötchen (a sort of sweet roll that tastes wonderful with apricot jam).

We enjoyed our breakfast, substiting the normal German breakfast Kaffee with a pot of Tetley tea. DH has come over to the other side and rarely drinks coffee now.

MmeLindt · 23/08/2008 17:16

Our local baker. Do have a look at the Konditorei, the Hochzeitstorten (wedding cakes) are very different to British cakes. And the BVB Mönchengladbach cake for fans of the football team is special too. It is the green and black one with the huge B on it.

moondog · 23/08/2008 17:19

Sounds fantastic Lindt.
Bloody supermarkets eh?
Suck the joy out of buying food.

teafortwo · 24/08/2008 00:16

Like you, MmeLindt we buy bread from a bakers. Infact, we go to the bakery at least once but usually twice a day (once for bread once for dd's goutè). It is really a lovely experience! Shopping for food in the UK made me feel like a robot but food shopping is really great fun in France!!!

Sounds like the Germans have got it right too - just keep those nasty supermarkets at bay!

Long live real bread!!!!!
www.allposters.com/-sp/Petit-Parisien-Posters_i291006_.htm

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teafortwo · 24/08/2008 00:46

Oh and Moondog - I was once on the Metro and there was an old looking sickly tramp who had fallen asleep with a bottle in his hand on the stairs. An American tourist took a huge, I am guessing very expensive, camera right upto his face and took a picture. SNAP!!!

Why that tourist felt the need to record such deep hardship and sadness is completely beyond my understanding. Don't images like that uncontrollably stay with him and haunt him without the photographical evidence? They do for me and they do for you too - it is part of being human and real.

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ninedragons · 24/08/2008 03:40

I forgot, Burma.

Burma is one of my favourite places in Asia. The military keep themselves to themselves so you are free to interact (within reason) with the locals.

The effects of the sanctions are pervasive and clear. The Burmese are the best drivers in the world by a LONG way. Car parts are impossible to get, so nobody risks having a crash. Even at the posh hotels, the pools are green soup because the chemicals can't be imported. We went because DH was having a very stressful time at work and it is one of the few places in the world with no global roaming or internet, otherwise people feel free to ring him while he is on holiday.

Bone up on your English Premier League football before you go. The whole country is nuts about it. Every time I turned around, DH was engrossed in a sophisticated conversation about the player transfer system with a seven-year-old boy.

Burma doesn't get many tourists at all because all the smug backpacker wankers want to take a stance on the junta. We found that the locals were really pleased to see tourists. We spent all our money in small family-owned shops and businesses(including the restaurant where the owner's five-year-old girl clearly thought she was the cat's pyjamas dancing around in her party dress and a Santa hat).

Aspects of it are depressing - the rainforest is obviously disappearing at a shocking rate, judging from the number of logging lorries you see on the roads, and when you do see a soldier, the swagger and the cammo uniform and the gold aviator sunglasses all make you shudder and think yep, what a third-world cliche.

But the people, man, the people are wonderful. I don't know where else in the world you could get chatting to some guy in the street and the next thing you know he is giving you a sightseeing tour of the city in his meticulously maintained 1940 Mercedes Benz.

ninedragons · 24/08/2008 03:50

Nearly forgot, here is another thing to help you ace your pub quiz: the oldest roundabout in the world is in Rangoon.

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teafortwo · 24/08/2008 10:56

Ninedragons - we salute your pub quiz knowledge and fantastic 3am only three people left at the party life experience stories!!!!!

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EffiePerine · 24/08/2008 11:28

can I just say that though I have nothing to add (living a blamelessly dull life in North London) I really enjoy reading this thread. What an interesting and articulate bunch Mners are

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