Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Living overseas

Whether you're considering emigrating or an expat abroad, you'll find likeminds on this forum.

Can we make our own 'from our own correspondent'

1000 replies

teafortwo · 30/07/2008 00:07

I love love love this radio show...

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/default.stm

Can we please please please have a thread that has a vibe a bit like this?

We can have a bunch of parents who live all over the World in all kinds of countries (including Blighty), with all kinds of neighbours and themselves living in all kinds of situations (rural, city, suburbs and anything inbetween) explaining what is happening where they live. Day to day things (what is on sale at your local market, what you ate for lunch), portraits of figures in your community (e.g a lovely old village character), big news stories (e.g student riots), little news stories (a much loved dog has died that used to wander around the town centre), arguements in the cafe (sport, politics, religion), music and dance (e.g I notice all Parisian teenagers like to do this weird wiggling dance and they even have lessons for how to do it on national telly), observations on things that are different from where you come from (I don't know...e.g a New Yorker's take on living in the Lake District), interesting discussions on languages spoken... etc etc... I think it could be fun!!!

So tell me...

Am I making sense?

and..

What do you think? Shall we give it a go?

OP posts:
eidsvold · 20/08/2008 09:40

more gallipoli info

teafortwo · 20/08/2008 10:11

Oh - with all this history talk this seems like a good place to introduce the man who lives in the apartment above ours.

We live in a town that is very popular with immigrants. It is a great place to live because we have this in common. Each of us loves France, the little town we live in and Paris that we can walk to from here. But we also nearly all have another land in our hearts and this fact unites us. Even though my French is very shaky and in the developmental stages I have made many friends as everyone knows what I am going through and like me wear clothes from their homeland, speak a different language at home and eat different food to the French.

Above our apartment live an elderly couple. A French woman who is bent double, wears a wig and refuses to let us help her lift her shopping trolley up the two flights of stairs. "If I let you do it today and then the next day and then the next..." she wisely explained "...you will have to do it for me in a months time." Her thin and quiet husband we thought, like many residence of our town was a Portuese man who had moved here to find work.

A few weeks ago he stopped me in the street - "Hello, you are the English lady who lives in our building, aren't you?" "Yes!" I nodded. "And what nationality are you?" I enquired to make conversation. "Spanish." He answered. "There used to be two Spanards in this town but the other one moved away. I miss speaking my language."

After showing me the medication he had just bought from the pharmacy and demonstrating its powers by jumping up and down a bit he told me he had been in London in the 50s. He had gone to London for work but had quickly discovered the London nightlife. Infact his hang out was Soho and Leiceter Square!

"The English are friendly..." He explained "...not like the French. I warn you they smile, they wish you good day, they seem ok but the French will turn on you when times are bad."

"O.K" I blondely nodded - thinking how late I was likely to be for a meeting with a friend.

"You don't understand...." He continued then went on to explain that when he was a young man the civil war in Spain broke out (1939). Worried about saving her family his mother organised for her children to escape from war-torn Spain into France. On arrival into France, along with many Spanish refuges they were collected up by the French army and put into concentration camps.

In these camps, like the ones the Nazis used during the earlier stages of the war, they were treated badly, fed very little and it was a regime of forced labour. People went mad and often killed themselves by walking into the sea.

So that was one hard time to put it lightly!

The next hard time in my neighbours life was the second world war where along with all the other Spanish people in France he was taken to a special jail where he was treated as a criminal for the war years!

I was silent. I didn't know what to say. If we were talking in English I wouldn't know what to say but we were speaking in French and so I really had no idea. "That is not good." I said in my best accent which is really bad then I frowned and shook my head.

"My life has been hard." He said "hard, hard, hard..."

"But you never returned to Spain?" I wondered.

"Well... no... I fell in love." He laughed!

An African lady walked over to us and asked for directions. "I know where that is!" He began to explain how to get to the town theatre and I said "Goodbye." "See you soon." And then wished him "A good day."

OP posts:
ninedragons · 20/08/2008 10:34

I have put a picture of our apartment building on my profile (temporarily, I will take it down later).

During WWII, Shanghai was (I think, I may be wrong) the biggest Jewish city in the world. Our building was designed by a Jewish architect who went to Israel after the war. Apparently the building has a twin in Tel Aviv, which I would absolutely love to see one day.

It is fantastic on a stormy night - it really does look like Scooby and Shaggy are going to find a ghost running around the corridors.

ninedragons · 20/08/2008 10:38

Sorry, missed your question, eids.

The Japanese committed many atrocities during the war. They still refuse to apologise to the "comfort women" (women enslaved to provide sex to Japanese soldiers). It is a very sore point. The design of this building had to be changed - the hole in the top was originally supposed to be round, but it was too reminiscent of the Rising Sun flag so they had to make it rectangular.

Iris Changs Rape of Nanking is a good starting point.

eidsvold · 20/08/2008 11:23

oh tea for two - that is terrible.

eidsvold · 20/08/2008 11:24

love the pics on your profile ninedragons - that building is brilliant.

eidsvold · 20/08/2008 11:25

thanks for that ninedragons - shall look for it.

BriocheDoree · 20/08/2008 12:44

Teafortwo, how terrible!
On the other hand, Britain rounded up all Germans and Italians during WW2, including jews who had fled to the UK to escape Nazism. (Not to mention having invented concentration camps during the Boer war!)
I think every country has a few skeletons in its closet, doesn't it.

moondog · 20/08/2008 13:31

Bloody hell.
Our generation has no ideaof the pain past ones suffer does it?

ZAt risk of sounding like a 'Me too!!!' Eids,I know a lot about the Kokoda Trail having spent first 22 years of life in Papua New Guinea. The 'fuzzy wuzzy angels' is what the Aussies called the people who helped them.

moondog · 20/08/2008 13:33

Also, we spent yearsliving on remore coral island where lots of WW2 remannts. We would find water bottles, bullets and even intact glass morphine ampoules in our garden, which also had a bunker!

I have seen Japanese skeletons in the jungle/caves and remember a delegation coming from Japan to collect them. They stayed in the only guesthouse on the island (run by friends) sand I remember us looking through the window and seeing the pile of bones covered by Japanese flag.

moondog · 20/08/2008 13:34

One of my parents' Oz/Chinese friends was a POW of Japanese in PNG. I saw her recently and she was telling me how they ate slugs and snails to survive. I told her she should write a book/.

moondog · 20/08/2008 13:35

Master, we lived in Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod. Latter was tremendous fun.

suedonim · 20/08/2008 15:34

Tfor2, that's so poignant. To my shame, I know almost nothing about the Spanish Civil War. There is a new-ish book out about it, which I intend to read, having done a bit of WW2 reading of late.

9Dragons, dh's uncle and family were POW's in Shanghai. They were appallingly treated but we were completely unaware until his funeral eulogy (he lived to be 93!) that one of his two daughters was actually born in the camp. That must have been a terrible experience.

MmeLindt · 20/08/2008 16:27

Fascinating posts. How lucky this generation is, we have never had to live through such a war.

I have been sent some details about houses for my househunting trip next week and one of the houses has a atom bunker. It is a relict of the Cold War and up until the about 10 years ago every new built house or appartement block had to have one or the owners had to buy spaces at a local bunker. "Luftschutzbunker" or "Zivilschutzbunker". Perhaps there is a Swiss person here who could tell us more abou this, I only know what I have googled.

I will certainly ask when I go there next week.

Btw, do any of you have a pool in the garden? One of the houses I am looking at next week has a small pool and I am a bit unsure whether to jump for joy or to leave it. Is it a lot of work keeping it clean? Does it cost a lot to heat? Any ideas?

eidsvold · 20/08/2008 21:41

no pool here although I would like one - but I do know they can be a lot of work to take care of. Here in Qld where i live in order to get a new pool in you have to put in all these water saving devices in your home and you are not allowed to use 'town' water to fill or top up - so you are then forced to pay for water to fill and to get a rain water tank put in to top up. I think you also have to get a pool blanket - which are not too expensive here at present.

anorak · 21/08/2008 01:55

Yes we have a pool MmeLindt. We hire a man to come and clean it once a week and put the chemicals in, I think we pay about $75 a week for that - daylight robbery really.

MrsSprat · 21/08/2008 02:20

Hello, have been entertaining relatives for a few days.

Great to catch up with the reports. I don't have any war stories to relate as such, but I really enjoyed, (enjoyed is probably not the word) reading JG Ballard's Empire of the Sun, which gives some insight on the hardship in the camps, much more so than the Spielberg film. I spent a couple of days in Shanghai two years ago and it's striking how European old Shanghai still feels, with Haussman style boulevards and Neoclassical architecture on the Bund. Not wishing to steal NineDragons thunder, but I had a very quirky stay in the Peace Hotel with it's unmistakeable smell, art deco bathrooms (aesthetics and functionality!) and octogenarian jazz band. My favourite bit was waking up early in the morning to see people doing Tai Chi with red flags by the river overlooking the Pearl TV tower.

How's Canada? A bit less embarrassed about its standing on the Olympic medals table. The famine was broken by two beefy female wrestlers and various others so they are now a semi-respectable 19th on the table.

I've digressed about Shanghai in this post, but having done the tourist-trail rounds again, I should have some more Toronto-based material for your enjoyment soon.

moondog · 21/08/2008 05:57

Shanghai sounds fascinating.
I am in obsessive phase with old colonial era Christian graveyards at the moment.

CoteDAzur · 21/08/2008 06:53

Talking about Shanghai and Japanese internment of foreigners during WWII, has anyone here read J G Ballard's autobiography "Miracles of Life"?

eidsvold · 21/08/2008 07:03

we too had camps in fact there was one which had a very famous Break out - am sure it was made into a miniseries or movie.

cowra Both italian and Japanese prisoners of War were kept here. The Japanese staged a mass breakout.

eidsvold · 21/08/2008 07:04

I do know that some germanic place names were changed during ww1.

I see we did have internment camps during the wars

this is one that is near where I grew up and not far from where I live now

eidsvold · 21/08/2008 07:11

Any other recommendations for books - greatly appreciated.

Today we went to a retirement village and visited my great aunt and uncle - we actually had four generations there - aunt and uncle, my mum, me and dd2 and dd3. I think on my mother's paternal side - this aunt and uncle are the only ones who are left. Sadly they got a call to say my uncle's mate ( been mates since they were 12 - both now in their 70's had passed away.) It was sad to think how often that must happen to my aunt and uncle now - to think when you get to an age where people are dying and you remain.

My aunt is brilliant - woman before her time - she was telling me when I was breastfeeding dd3 - this college student came to do a 'test' as part of her studies on my cousin and she was showing him pictures and asked him what the pictures were. She showed him one of a baby's bottle and my cousin did not know what it was. She was stunned and thought there was something wrong until my aunty said well he was breastfed and then went straight to a cup - he actually would not know what a bottle was. He's never had one.

She started doing family trees and she is the keeper of the knowledge I keep picking her brain to get it all before it goes. I know I should ask her to write it down. She is getting really frail and accepts it but hates it - she worries more about everyone else than herself. Always sends birthday cards with money in - even if only a few dollars. Never forgets a birthday.

I think every family have someone like that - don't they? I guess I am turning out to be a bit like that in my generation!!

ninedragons · 21/08/2008 08:34

Ooh, we LOVE cocktails in the Peace. It is closed for renovation at the moment - one of the big luxury chains like the Peninsula Group has taken it over. Should be something totally out of this world when it re-opens.

The Art Deco parts of Shanghai survived the war relatively intact. The Japanese didn't want to bring the Europeans into the war, so they only bombed the Chinese areas of the city and left the European Concessions (now all known as the French Concession) alone.

If you are interested in graveyards, one of the saddest and most poignant ones I ever visited was on the road from Rangoon to Bago in Burma. It was full of British soldiers. In almost an hour of wandering around, I found only three of men who were in their thirties when they died, and none in their forties. Utterly tragic.

Very impressed by the War Graves Commission, though. The cemetary was immaculate - the grass was like a bowling green and every headstone looked like it was hand-polished. This on a little road in the middle of the countryside in a hostile military dictatorship - no idea how the WGC does it.

teafortwo · 21/08/2008 08:46

www.amazon.co.uk/Miracles-Life-Shanghai-Shepperton-Autobiography/dp/0007272340/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s= books&qid=1219303992&sr=8-2

CoteDAzur - I just amazoned your book - it looks very interesting!!! I have put in in my already massive wishlist!

I quite like this novel set in Shanghai...

www.amazon.co.uk/When-Were-Orphans-Kazuo-Ishiguro/dp/0571225403/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12193 04221&sr=1-1

Eidsvold - your aunt sounds lovely!

OP posts:
MmeLindt · 21/08/2008 09:05

Eidvold,
Your Aunt sounds a bit like my Granny, she was the keeper of the family knowledge and secrets.

My Granny was a Granny out of a story book. She was a tiny, plump cuddly Granny who loved to bake pancakes (although she was never happy about her scones) and knit dollies. I have several of her knitted dolls, with kilts on and bagpipes. She also knitted a bride and groom for our wedding, complete with pearl and diamond jewelery.

She was a fantastic gardner, her tiny garden was in the newspaper a few times. She loved going to visit castles with gardens, where we had to watch her like a hawk or she would whip her nail scissors out of her huge handbag to take some cuttings. Sometimes we would aid and abet her in her illegal snippings.

Her other abiding hobby was photography and she often had two cameras with her, just in case. Her preferred motive was her grandchildren, though she did have a weakness for squirrels. She had thousands of photos, some of whom noone in the family recognised when we were sorting out her belongings.

When she died, the whole family gathered at her tiny house, the funeral car arrived and we all set off to the crematorium with a piper leading the way. He played "Wir no awa' tae bide awa'" which still brings tears to my eyes when I hear it.

For we're no' awa' tae bide awa',
For we're no' awa tae le'e ye,
For we're no' awa' tae bide awa',
We'll aye come back an' see ye.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.