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Cyber Glühwein und Lebkuchen - the German and Austrian advent thread

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admylin · 02/12/2012 11:24

A thread for anyone living in Germany or Austria, or anyone else who fancies a chat.

Happy first Advent to everyone!

Previous thread: here

OP posts:
TheUKGrinchImGluhweinkeller · 14/12/2012 08:53

plantanos last year I made veggie mincemeat (despite not being remotely veggie - but lard is hard to find here) and the good thing about it is you can easily find all the ingredients here, and it doesn't need to age the way regular mince meat should (though it does keep equally well if you want to) and it does still have the right type of taste and texture. The down side is once you've bought all the different dried fruits and brandy your mincemeat is incredibly expensive! I found the recipe on the bbc good food site. Otherwise shortbread is quite Christmasy and the easiest thing in the world - Dd and DS1 can make it on their own, I just have to hoer in the general area and do the oven part.

Hello cheas - yay on your clever DD writing her name :) Kindergarten will tell you off now as you are not meant to "teach" her (even if you didn't teach her) yet :) They may let you off if she spontaneously draws accurate geometric shapes at random at KiGa (experience from DD :) I haven't been told off for DS1 writing his name, but I assume that is because he started later and could be Vorschule, though he isn't in the Vorschule programme - DD started writing hers soon after she started KiGa, and KiGa must have initially pegged me as a pushy parent who was trying to hot house her and told me to stop teaching her - which like you I wasn't doing!)

mamasr · 14/12/2012 08:57

I was really pleased to stumble across this message.. We are looking into buying a home in Kitzbühel for the winter months early next year! Does anyone live in/around there? Is it a good area etc? Any hints would be much appreciated! Thanks and Merry Christmas! x

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 14/12/2012 09:18

Not much time to post now as we're just off to the KEL-Gespräch, but I'll come back and answer your question later mamasr (have just asked DH, and he said there's always lots of snow, which I assume is good if you're buying for the winter months, and that it's very expensive).

Ploom · 14/12/2012 09:23

Morning! Wow you lot have been chatty while I was busy with my usual activity - snow shovelling Angry. Think that'll be the last time tho for the next while since its supposed to melt tonight and then rain for the next week.

We went on holiday to Brixen im Thale which is the next town to Kitzbuhl (?sp) - I found Kitzbuhl itself too busy & expensive but Brixen was quieter but with good skilifts etc.

platanos - hope the poorlyness clears soon. I will gratefuly accept my sainthood and my lie in gutschein. Not sure I'll get it to use it this side of Christmas tho Smile.

cheas - good on your dd for writing her name. If she was in the UK she'd be doing it at preschool in practice for starting school in September but as grinch said, kiga will think you're hothousing herWink. She's got a perfect length of name to write unlike my 3dc!

Ahhhhh linzer - headliceHmm. I'm itching just thinking about them. We've only had them twice in the house but it makes me paranoid for months after. Hope the meeting about your dd goes well later.

santa - we also bought our snowboots from aldi/lidl and they've been absolutely fine & lasted fairly well as have the dc's snowsuits.

Love all the talk about names - its fascinating to hear how people decided. I always knew what I wanted to call a boy so it was easy when ds1 came along. Wasnt so easy when little surprise ds2 appeared - still wish we'd called him Michael but we stupidly told my MIL before he was born that we were thinking of using it & she went on how much she hated it. If we'd waited till after he was born then she would have kept it to herself (well maybe!).

Funny enough I know of 2 baby girls born in the last 2 weeks & they are both called Matilda/Mathilda. Wonder if its in fashion right now.

In dd's class there are 2 girls called Anna & Anne (which they pronounce Annaaaaa & Ann-e) - think they both answer to both cause the difference is so slight.

Waves to everyone I missed - dh is finally ready & we need to go to get a Christmas tree Grin.

adventkerzylin · 14/12/2012 10:06

ploom that reminds me, I'm meant to have bought one already (a tree) but haven't found time. Can't go now as lunch has to be on the table dead on time so we can make it to dyslexia class then back home to take ds and his friend to their table tennis meeting and by then it'll be dark and roads are still slippy. Have to try tomorrow.

Parcels sent - cost 17? for two! That would have been a 3 or more nice bottles of wine or a couple of cases of glühwein, what a shame!

mamasr · 14/12/2012 10:15

Thank You! Sorry to hijack your thread!

cheaspicks · 14/12/2012 10:32

This was the quilt I started and abandoned Canasta. I wanted to make it to cover the bed in our guest room which meant I needed 64 squares - only managed 12 so far.

this is what I'm currently working on. I'm not doing the border, though. The finished quilt will be 4' square and I plan to hang it at the top of our stairs.

I want to make this next!

And I love these fabrics and desperately want to make something with some of them Grin.

adventkerzylin · 14/12/2012 10:48

Wow, cheas you must be so patient, love those fabrics too.

mamasr hope you get some info about Kitzbuhl, I have only heard of it as being very expensive and exclusive, never visited either.

cheaspicks · 14/12/2012 12:57

Sorry, mamsr, I don't know anything about Kitzbuhl.

outnumbered I think I've added you on fb.

platanos · 14/12/2012 14:01

no fever - yay, ds may be on the mend Smile

cheas- wow, those quilts are lovely. I love those liberty materials too...clever daughter for a clever mother!

advent - sorry to hear about the absage. Frustrating...hope the right job comes along soon.

Linzer how did the KEL-Gespräch go? headlice? I hate them---have not had them for a while, thank goodness. did he get the all-clear from the dr? hope the clinical psychologist goes well today - I am a bit confused - is he/she the same one who did the tests, or a different one?

outnumbered Take care on those frozen pavements. I don't know anything about going on a Kur, but it sounds like a well-deserved rest for you. Let us know how you get on...

Thanks for all the ideas...I'll have a look for a swiss roll that I can just cover. Otherwise, it is biscuits or shortbread. I did a search on pinterest and got lots of ideas - will put some to the girls and let them decide. It will give them something to do as we are stuck indoors for most of the weekend with ds...

agree that Matilda is a lovely name - it was one of my favourite but MIL's sister was called that and MIL would have been VERY hurt if we had named our dd that. The dd's have got variations on very classic names, which makes them a little bit less common. (In fact, dd1 is grinch's dd's name with the end of Linzer's dd1's name stuck on it...). DS got a very uncommon name, and is a bit like marmite - people love it or wince when they hear it. Bit better here than in the UK, especially my Grandmother who suggested, a couple of weeks after he was born, that we consider changing his name. She was 93 at the time so I was not offended but very amused Wink .

outnumberedbymen · 14/12/2012 14:32

linzer was it you who linked to the elf yourself website? I am currently having fun with it with ds2 who cant get enough of it! Xmas Smile we had headlice once. it was very odd actually as it was before any of our 3 were at pre-school. ds2 used to go to a little Krabbelgruppe with ds2 (this was when we were still in Lüneburg) for an hour once a week. he must had picked it up there - but when my dad mentioned headlice the following week, of course NONE of the other children had had it Hmm it's still somehow seen as being connected to poor hygiene isnt it. How did the meeting with the CP go?

advent sorry about the absage Sad dh has also had another couple of those. It really is frustrating! about the Kur, yes I got to choose, and I am going to Cuxhaven. I am hoping it will be good for ds2 who suffers from Obstruktive Bronchitis a lot, and may help with all my allergies as well. Also PIL live about 30 mins away, so the boys will get to see them a fair bit too I would imagine. I do feel a bit guilty about not taking ds1, but then a)I do need a break from him, and b) the Kurklinik actually said that I would only be allowed to come if I left him at home! Shock

grinch nightmare about the dryer. our 2-year-old one broke a couple of years ago, and I think we lasted for exactly 1 week without one. Thankfully we had PIL over and they generously bought us a new one!

cheas those quilts are beautiful! and what a clever dd you have Smile ds1 started writing his own name when he was about 3 years old - but his name only has 3 letters. he has since taught himself to write all letters and is started to read. People do think I am a pushy parent, but I have nothing to do with it. oh, and thanks for adding me on fb - I did wonder who I had 'friended' Wink

platanos I'm very glad your ds is finally starting to feel better. I hope he gets well very soon! I love the name discussions, and trying to figure out what names you are talking about. particularly the 'marmite' one, and your grandmother's comment made me Grin. children and elderly people are just so honest!

TheUKGrinchImGluhweinkeller · 14/12/2012 17:52

Back to post more later but was just reading and just had to vent - what makes DH think its OK to notice the toddler has a dirty nappy and sit there saying "DS2 smells" then when I reply not at all sarcastically that he is allowed to change his nappy too he grunts, and 2 minutes later says, as if for the first time "I think DS2 smells" - honestly, why does he think it is not an option for him to change a nappy if I am physically present in the building, am I dreaming when I think some other men, upon noticing their child has filled their nappy, would go and change it? He's not in the middle of anything, he's watching an episode of How I met your Mother that he's seen before... and its not a game, he never changes a nappy unless I'm out at work...

outnumberedbymen · 14/12/2012 18:21

grinch dh sometimes tries the 'soandso smells', or he'll say - just as I am coming downstairs 'ds2/ds3, have you just filled your nappy?!' like it only JUST happened. I have learnt to ignore it and have learnt to refuse to change nappies when he can do it as well.

when I was in hospital with ds2 a couple of years ago, I room-shared with a lady who had 4 children. both her and her OH had never had a job, lived off benefits and were therefore both at home all day. she told me that her OH just 'cant' do nappies, and because of that he has not changed one single nappies for any of their four children! and she seemed ok with it too!! she did tell me a few other odd things as well during the week I was there...

WhatWouldSantaDo · 14/12/2012 19:26

Thanks all for the Lidl/Aldi tips - I will check them out. Though I hate the set up in both of those: you can't just look and leave easily, you have to go through the till to exit, and you can never get past anyone in the queue, it is so rammed and squashed, so you have to queue even if you aren't buying anything. Well, in our local stores anyway. Tchibo's here are small, they don't seem to stock much (plus I really dislike the smell of coffee!).

Wow, cheas, ambitious quilting! I think if I ever want a nice quilt I shall have to commission someone!

platanos, I am not sure we are Fb pals! I don't think I know your DC's names. Or am I getting confused with all the namechanging? Feel free to add me!

Well, I found a Mall Santa! Not quite in a Grotto, but good enough. Though there wasn't really much room to get a good photo, but I shall go through them soon and Fb a good one if I managed to get one. Not really a German thing, is it - we were pretty much the only ones there! Xmas Grin

Xmas Shock at the non-nappy changing men!

I love talking babynames too, Ploom. Like you, I too knew what I wanted to call my son, right from about 20 years ago! Xmas Smile Luckily, DH wholeheartedly loved it straight away when I told him.

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 14/12/2012 19:34

Grinch So did you get him to change the nappy? I think I would probably have snapped something like "Well, change it then!" in your situation, although I doubt that's the best approach. Grin

outnumbered It could well have been me; I'm pretty sure I mentioned Elf Yourself and may well have linked to it (mind like a sieve). We had to watch the film dozens of time the day I the elf made it!

The meeting went well, thanks; the psychologist suggested that we deal with the dyslexia training (focusing on auditory skills) first, as that might help with the other problems, and then move on to the psychotherapy afterwards. She estimated that DD1 will need about a year's worth of training, at ?60 an hour. Shock But she does seem very competent, and if it helps... (she said that if we don't deal with it now, DD1 will struggle with it for ever). She also said that it often helps improve children's social skills and that they become more open as a result of the training.

platanos I love your DC's names; they're definitely quite uncommon, at least here, but I think that's a good thing. I'd never even really heard of your younger two's names, but the woman in the next bed to me in hospital when I had DS called her DD the same name as your DD1. I thought what a lovely name, although I must admit I went off it a bit when I saw how it was spelled as it just looked wrong! (Imagine the shorter spelling of DD1's name plus only one n.)

The psychologist was the same one as we saw last time, but she went through the results of the tests in more detail today. She's not going to be doing the training herself, though; she said that one of the tutors would phone us to arrange the lessons.

Ploom Did you find a Christmas tree? Are you having to hide it until the 24th now? I'm also fascinated by the names discussion and what other people's DC are called (it took me ages to remember Grinch's DS1's name!).

cheas Gorgeous fabrics - I wish I was good at arts & crafts type things.

advent Shock at the price of the parcel - although I shouldn't be really, as it's extortionate to post parcels here too. I was really Shock earlier today, though, when the DC's Christmas cards to my parents were returned as I hadn't put enough postage on them - they were definitely under 50g, so they can't have fitted through the dreaded slot (0.5 cm). I took DD2's letter out and posted it to them, but we'll take the Christmas cards back with us when we fly over. I'm not paying over ?8 to post six Christmas cards!

mamasr On further questioning, it turns out that DH hasn't actually been to Kitzbühel so you can probably ignore his remarks about it being full of Russians. But it does have a reputation for being very expensive and exclusive and, like Ploom said, you'll get more value for money if you look a little further out.
Wrt to buying in Austria, you need to allow an additional 10% or so on top of the purchase price for fees, taxes, etc. If you buy a new property direct from the developer, you'll save on estate agent fees, but otherwise you could pay up to about 6% of the purchase price (the average is around 3%, I think). Another thing to bear in mind is that property prices don't tend to go up much here, so you won't necessarily make a profit when you sell - in fact, it seems to be quite unusual to do so. Buyers will pay a premium for a newbuild and houses then seem to depreciate. (This may be different in an exclusive area like Kitzbühel, but DH said probably not.) I'm afraid I don't know much about the Kitzbühel area, but if you have any more questions related to buying property in Austria, feel free to ask. Smile

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 14/12/2012 19:51

Oh, and Ploom - your FB post about the awful English used in advertising reminded me of this Unilever campaign, which I was reading about earlier today.

Ploom · 14/12/2012 20:06

Omg linzer thats shocking! That's on another level to my spot today.
I saw an advert for an expandable ring by a jewellers that had the slogan "Zoom up your ring" Grin. Dh and I were uncontrollable with laughter - not only at the bad English! We have to drive past it tomo - wonder whether I should take the phone number & give them a call?

linzer - glad the appt went well. we're being british and putting the tree up over the weekend.

platanos - Smile to no more fever. Are you on FB too?

outnumbered - will PM you with my FB details.

cheas - those quilts look amazing esp the geometric one in silver & black. Have never had those skills so I'm very impressed.

outnumberedbymen · 14/12/2012 20:06

At dc2&3 pre school there is a sign in English, but is such bad English I have to giggle every time I see it. In fact, the English used is so bad I can't even remember exactly what it says. Must make a note of it on Monday!

linzer do you have to pay for dyslexia training yourself?? I would have thought that having a dx would mean that treatment/help would be available for free. Like ds1 and ds2 who are entitled to treatment, help and support for anything related to their autism. Here these costs are covered by the jugendamt and sozialamt. At the end of the day, your dd needs support in order for her to have a chance of achieving her potential, as well as minimizing/ helping with the effects in her self esteem/ anxieties. So what would parents do if they can't afford ?60/ session (Shock). Would their dc simply not get any help? It doesn't seem right.

Ploom · 14/12/2012 20:14

outnumbered - a friend here went on a Mutter/Kind Kur a few years ago - she really enjoyed it and the dc did too. She had time for herself to do some exercise & lost weight too. She's still in touch with some of the other mothers.

grinch - I'd just have been direct & told dh to change it. I can imagine how annoyed you were - they're not just your dc!

santa - glad you found a grotto. Have you set up a Santa video for him from Portable North Pole? My boys were so excited today to watch theirs - ds2 was answering Santa's questions - too cute Grin.
I'm contemplating going to bed soon - I'm sooooo tired. All 3 dc have a Christmas party to go tomorrow morning so we'll be up early but dh and I are going to have a breakfast date for ourselves at a local deli after we've dropped them off.

Hope you all have a good weekend

AntiqueMuppetsChristmasCarol · 14/12/2012 20:39

Evening all!

We're in the house and finally have (ridiculously slow) internet. I'm trying to catch up with the thread but it's taking me a while as DS is on a bit of a kamikaze mission this week with plug sockets, cables, furniture etc and I'm still in the middle of unpacking.

Nutella I am so sorry but I haven't posted that cd yet. Do you still want it? I can dig it out this weekend and get it posted next week.

Ploom at your ring-slogan-spot! I told DH and he spat a bit of beer out through his giggles.

outnumbered You'll have to let us know what the bad English is :) When do you go on your Kur? (Sorry if you've already mentioned)

Linzer [shock) at the Unilever campaign!

platanos How is your DS tonight? Hope he's better soon.

Grinch I'd have snapped! But I have no patience whatsoever for that sort of thing.

I'm also on Facebook so feel free to PM me outnumbered & platanos (& anyone else, of course!) I'm friends with most of the thread already so shouldn't be too hard to find :)

Wine is poured, takeaway is ordered and I'm off to collapse in a heap in the corner or to eat my own body weight in biscuits

Have a lovely weekend everyone!

tadjennyp · 14/12/2012 22:28

Hello - so sorry I haven't name-checked anyone but have been so upset with the tragic events in the elementary school in Connecticut. Those poor children and their families. Sad

Congratulations on moving house though muppets - I just caught sight of that. Enjoy your first weekend in your new home!

itsMYNutella · 15/12/2012 09:12

jenny DP told me about the news this morning, it's awful, such sad news.

Antique if you have the time I'd be interested in giving it a go. Maybe you posting it will bring on the law of sod and send me into labour Xmas Wink

ploom and linzer your language spots are brilliant! I've noticed on several DB trains the notice in the toilet says only "thank" instead of "thank you" honestly, who does these terrible translations and how could they miss something so elementary?

Sorry for not name checking more, I am super tired, think I might go back to bed when I take my buns out of the oven Xmas Hmm only managed about 4 hours of sleep last night..... But I was tired enough yesterday after only bout 5/6 hours sleep. My Mum was kind enough to tell me it won't get any better for a while Xmas Confused

outnumberedbymen · 15/12/2012 10:10

jenny I saw the news last night and were absolutely shocked and saddened! I will never understand why some people just take the lives of innocent people - and even little children! Sad

my Kur will be end of February until mid-March. There is still the possibility that I wont be ablt to go though, as I need someone here at night for ds1. he'll be at kiga during the day and has an Integrationshelfer until around 6.30. But if dh has a new job by then (which of course I hope!) and if that job isnt in daily commuting distance, than dh will not be here for him. I will cross that bridge when we come to it though, and at the moment I am just looking forward to a bit of a break from it all.

Ploom and antique, will pm you re fb.

have a nice and quiet weekend everyone.

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 15/12/2012 15:49

Jenny So awful about the shooting. I just can't imagine what those involved are going through. Sad

Nutella Hope you managed to get some more rest. And you never know - you might get an amazing sleeper who's going through the night from 6 weeks; I've heard they exist. Grin

Antique Glad you've survived the move and more importantly have Internet. Smile Hope you're settling in OK, despite kamikaze toddlers!

outnumbered Fingers crossed that you get your Kur. Yes, we'll need to pay for the training ourselves - the Krankenkassen are cutting back on what they pay for and don't pay for psychological therapy unless you have a Zusatzversicherung (which we don't). The Jugendamt will cover it if you can't afford it, however.

Ploom Glad to hear you're being sensible British about the tree. Wink I think your advert is far funnier than the Unilever campaign (unintentionally, obviously!) - wonder how you'd explain it to them if you phoned them up. Grin

platanos Sorry, I've only just realised I forgot to answer your question about the KEL-Gespräch. It went well, thanks; after DD1 had done her presentation, her form teacher asked her a few general questions about how she was settling in at school, what she liked about it (getting good grades, apparently - I think the low grades she often got at primary school must have been quite demoralising for her), etc. Her English teacher seems very nice too, so I'm going to try to be a bit less picky about her English. Grin

It's now started raining just in time for our Adventmarkt get-together. DH and I have a bet on how many parents will turn up - DH thinks two, whereas I think none. Given the weather, I think I'm more likely to win. Grin

TheUKGrinchImGluhweinkeller · 16/12/2012 10:31

Antique woo hoo for being into the house!

outnumbered hope you get to go on your kur - I've never been on one, how do you get one, do you just ask? I remember people on here telling me I could be entitled to one at the height of my sleep deprivation when DS2 had been waking every 45 minutes most nights for a few months and I was pretty run down, but I couldn't see how it would help as if I took him with me I'd still get no sleep, and if I tried to wean him and leave him home DH would have outsourced house and kids to MIL and my life wouldn't have been worth living once I got home as she'd feel entitled to nag, criticise and lecture me for the rest of her natural life in return (in the guise of friendly tips and advice, but every time she has babysat here she has exacted payment in the form of a protracted tour of the house afterwards pointing out my housekeeping faults)! I know one mum locally who has been on Kur with her youngest, although she mainly complained about the weather so I didn't really get a picture of what was involved! Would be interested to hear back after you've been!

mamasr I know nothing about Kitzbühel at all - I googled it out of curiosity and now know its an expensive fancy ski resort :o Not much help there :)

Linzer glad the KEL-Gespräch went well. Think I saw on fb that the Advent event was badly attended though :( sorry about that, weather probably a big factor though :(

Nutella I hope you manage to get a bit more sleep before Nutellachen arrives - its all very well saying its getting you prepared for the sleep deprivation of a new baby, but I think its a rubbish design flaw to make new mothers knackered before the newborn even arrives! Still a lot of newborns do give you a "honeymoon period" and sleep loads in the first week or so, so that is a possibility to look forward to! Only one of mine did that, but I think it is pretty common. My youngest actually slept quite well for the first 4 months - the terrible sleep deprivation didn't actually kick in til the 4 month growth spurt. If you can sleep when baby sleeps in the day too once he's here you may well find it does actually get better once he is born (really, really make sure you enjoy and take advantage of that that luxury of a first born :) )

Jenny the news of that shooting is so beyond awful I can't really bring myself to think too much about it, what on earth makes people feel entitled to do that rather than just kill themselves... beyond anything and seems to be happening with sickening regularity.

Got to go and see what DS2 is doing in the kitchen, he keeps opening the fridge...

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