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Die Kaffeestube Teil 2 - virtual Kaffeeklatsch in Germany and Austria

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cheaspicks · 22/08/2012 09:57

Chat for those living in a German-speaking country, or anyone else who is interested.

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itsMYNutella · 08/09/2012 10:55

Thanks ladies. I feel better about it today. DP was unfortunate enough to ring me a few minutes after I posted and I was so annoyed I ranted at him in German to make it easier to explain what the Hebamme had said in German. He told me he was very impressed which rather threw me when I was having a bit of a strop :o
Then I went off to a friend (why does everyone I know seem to live on the 4th floor?!!) and they kept me entertained until DP got home. Which was nice.

Cake those customers (and some of your staff) sound terrible! I've worked in Kitchens/Restaurants etc can understand the feeling; your poor DH sounds like he had an extremely crappy night for all of that to descend on him in one go!

Gosh I'm tired! I had stupid dreams (might have had a coffee too late in the day yesterday....) and the bean was awake from about 5am onwards kicking me. Yay Hmm for feeling movement...

And then I was putting my jeans on just before we were expecting the owner to come round (operation make the flat nice/what can we get the owner to fix) and the bell rang and I realised the reason my jeans weren't working was because I had them on backwards Confused I think I'm done being pregnant and daft for today, I'm off back to a quiet place where it's safe :(

LinzerTorte · 08/09/2012 10:56

Cake Have a lovely time in Holland!

awesome Have just had a look at your links and am pleased to see Vienna is at no. 2 in the most liveable cities list even if we don't actually live there. Smile

Ploom I often end up deleting the Groupon e-mails without looking at them, but maybe I should check them a bit more closely - sounds like you got a good deal on the theme park. Hope you all have a great time!

DD1 has her form teacher for quite a few subjects - German, geography, soziales Lernen and art. She's primarily an art teacher and I was a bit Hmm about how many different subjects secondary school teachers here seem to teach, although I suppose it's only up to the age of 14 at DD1's school.

The babysitter worked out fine; the children all watched a film at the neighbours' with her older sister and then she brought them our three back home and put them to bed. Definitely an improvement over the one who didn't even seem to have tried to do so! Plus the DC know how fairly well anyway as she's one of our neighbours.

I spent a good hour this morning sorting out and organising all DD1's school stuff and then we went out and bought the rest of it. We had to go to a much smaller stationery shop for all the specialist stuff (the kind where you have to ask for things over the counter) but at least they had everything. I can't believe how many books they have, though; DD1 has four different exercise books plus two text books for maths alone.

CakeBump · 09/09/2012 09:39

Linzer that sounds like an awful lot of books! Does she have to trail to and fro with them every day? No wonder all the children have enormous satchels.

Nutella Grin about your jeans... were they maternity ones with the stretchy band? I bought two (quite expensive) pairs from Seraphine but I haven't been wearing them in the warm weather - they make my legs itch and drive me crazy! So its been soft drapey materials all summer for me.

Ploom I hope you and the family had fun. That sounds like a really good deal.

I had a lovely time in Holland, thank you. My friend made me bacon sandwiches as they have "proper" bacon there and I haven't found it near us yet!

Luckily I had a relaxing day as in the evening we hosted a wedding party for 40 in the restaurant. Lucky me was on washing up duty and washed up for 5 hours solid! I'm in bits today (and so is poor DH) but luckily I have the day off so I'm planning a bath and a long dog walk.

I just hope I don't get called on to help in the restaurant if its busy...

worldcitizen · 09/09/2012 21:30

Paralympics Closing Ceremony...are you all watching?

Whoever might be interested the BBC Last night of the Proms will be aired again tomorrow night 1am NDR without German commentary.

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 04:56

Hope everyone had a good weekend. It was lovely and sunny here, so we took our three plus two of the neighbours' DC to a Wasserspielplatz in the next town yesterday afternoon and also went for an ice cream, probably our last one of the year as the weather is supposed to get more autumnal from Wednesday.

Nutella Grin at backwards jeans. Glad your day improved after the midwife incident.

Cake Glad you had a nice time in Holland. Don't envy you all that washing up, though! Hope you were able to relax a little yesterday.

Luckily DD1 can leave most of her books at school as they each have a big cubby hole at the back of the classroom; she only needs to bring home what she needs for homework. We could also pay ?30 a year for her to have a locker, but I'm not quite sure what the point of it is (other than for locking away mobile phones during PE lessons).

admylin · 10/09/2012 06:56

Lovely sunny weekend here too linzer. Good that your dd can leave some of her books at school. Glad you figured out all the abbreviations on the timetabl estood for!

world I watched the proms too (with the German commentary)! Missed the olympic ceremony though as I was too tired.

cake hope you've recovered from your washing up marathon!

nutella that's really crazy of teh hebamme to not even give you a chance to get to know her! I had similar when looking for a therapist for dd's dyslexia coaching. A couple said they didn't waste time doing kennenlernen as it wa sfree and their time was expensive! Another gave us a whole hour of her time (and we didn't end up going to her after all). Things are getting better in Germany with regards to customer service etc but they still have a long way to go.

Do you all have/use a credit card from a German bank? I don't get why ours (a mastercard) is settled fully at the end of the month. It's a debit card I'd guess even though the German bank calls it a credit card. Do the other kind exist here (where you pay installments)? Dh's work are pressing him to fly to Portugal to a meeting for 5 days and he's going to get the money back this time, 4 weeks later after the meeting. But flight, hotel and registration will still add up and be a huge sum to go directly from his normal account at the end of the month. I told him to call his bank but neither of us has any idea what he's meant to be asking for! Is there another word for credit card?

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 07:44

Credit cards sound like they're the same in Germany as they are in Austria, admylin. We also have a Mastercard and the money all gets taken out of our account at the end of the month (or at the end of the following month; I haven't quite worked out when the cut-off date is). I don't think the other kind exists here.

We still haven't worked out what ET could stand for; I did wonder whether DD1 might have misheard and that it's actually IT, but she said that the teacher wrote the timetable on the board. I had to drive her to school today as she had to take all her school books in; her bag was full and weighed a ton, plus she had two other heavy bags and her art case with her.

Just back from my first run since the school holidays started and I'm exhausted! I've arranged to go out running with my neighbour on Wednesday, so thought I'd better get a run in beforehand just to check whether I can still run half an hour without collapsing (I'm not sure I'll be able to).

worldcitizen · 10/09/2012 08:14

Linzer weather was lovely here too, especially yesterday. I got a feeling this is about it, at least for us Nordlichter up here. But the entire last week was just great, I feel this was a worthy end to a summer which got to be one of the worst summers.

admylin they have emphasised the part without commentary when they show the Wiederholung of both parts, but for me it's too late I won't watch it, however for the ones interested and able to record it might be something to keep in mind.

cake you seem to have adventures in your restaurant and I hear working in Gastronomie can be quite hard, real Knochenarbeit, and yet you come across as managing it all well.
Must be nice to drive over to the Dutch. How long of a drive is it for you until you reach a town or city you like to spend your day in?
Oh and in regards to drivers and bad reputation, I don't think it is a Dutch-German thing across the country though, I assume it's more a case of complaining about whoever is next door neighbour and then doesn't drive to standard whatever that's supposed to be here in Hamburg the bad ones are the Pinnebergers and they have a PI on their plate, so that gets translated to Provinzidioten Grin And the Dutch here, don't seem to bother anyone, no-one talks about them.

Nutella I am sorry to hear about the midwife search adventures...I never had one, I chose to do my own thing, I believe someone here mentioned something slightly similar. Even though it was my first child, I myself have a profession where I felt I knew enough and the rest was discussed with doctor and the nurse in the practice. The doctor I chose was bi-lingual and had medical degrees from Germany and the U.S. and was used to have "international" patients, so I didn't want to deal with the midwives, as I was annoyed about the typical German grumpiness and during pregnancy I was more emotional and sensitive, so didn't want that around me.
In the hospital after birth I was approached by a nurse/midwife who was there the entire weekend I was there and she was the one who assisted during c-section and took care of our baby and got along with my at-the-time-husband, so she heard I don't have a midwife and asked if we would like her to come and visit. So because we liked her and got along and she spoke good English, we agreed. She ended up visiting twice as I didn't need her anymore.

Unfortunately there are some ways and attitudes which could be said are typical of Germans, I've mentioned this before I think, and this is not BesserWessie behaviour even if some East Germans like to think that, it is general German attitude with exceptions to the rule, as everywhere.

awesome you are in Berlin. That city and and the Berliners themselves have such a rough and coarse attitude I am the few times I was there really taken back by their attitude.
And even though it is so international and so much coming and going I cannot believe how rough it is there.
And I think the Berliners, regardless of West or East, truly need to get used-to Grin

to the Austrians out there. Would you say it is similar or different in Austria, keeping in mind the small town/city differences, which are apparent here as well and cake has mentioned thankfully very good experiences.

cheaspicks · 10/09/2012 08:20

admylin my German Visa card is the same, I'm afraid. Your dh could ask if he can "überziehen" his account, ie. go overdrawn. I don't know what the fees are likely to be, but there may not be much difference between that and a credit card.

Linzer elektronische Technologien, perhaps? This all sounds like when dh talks about his school days, except he had ML (Marxismus-Leninismus) and SEK (sozialistische Einheitskunde) or something Grin.

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worldcitizen · 10/09/2012 08:32

Linzer I also have no clue Confused

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 08:44

Sounds feasible, cheas! I don't know whether we'll ever find out. I like the sound of ML and SEK. Grin

world Do you mean differences wrt customer service, general friendliness, etc.? I do find the Austrians where we live much friendlier than the Germans were when we lived in Germany in terms of customer service, people you meet on the street/in shops, etc. (there does seem to be a private v. public persona and the Germans we met socially/at work etc. were all quite friendly). I felt like I had to be on my guard a lot of the time in case I'd done something wrong and someone shouted at me. Blush (I don't have a very thick skin, admittedly).

Having said that, there are definitely regional differences. My ILs live in a much more "small town" area and I find people there far less friendly. And I had my only bad customer service experience here (being brought a dustpan in a cafe, which I mentioned upthread) with a German friend, who said something about it being typical of Austrians and that you'd never experience anything quite so extreme in Germany. I tried to diplomatically say that I'd experienced worse in Germany (DH was shouted at in Munich when he opened a window in a cafe, for example), but I think she must come from a friendlier area of Germany than what I was used to. Grin

Ploom · 10/09/2012 08:46

morning!

admylin - the only "credit card" I have is a pre paid one so that would be even less use for your dh. Paying it off every month must be a way to stop people building up big debts but that doesnt help your dh to pay for all these flights etc.

linzer - the running will get better I'm sure - like you said on FB, you couldnt run 20 mins 2 years ago so to be able to run 20 mins after no training for 6 weeks is good going. I'm really looking forward to getting going with my nordic walking when school starts. Think I always have so much more energy when I exercise.

worldcitizen - I've never had enthusiasm for the last night of the proms - think its because I'm Scottish - it always seems like such an English thing. I dont even feel any loyalty to sing "God save the Queen" as it doesnt feel like my anthem but I really enjoy the music on the other nights and really wanted to hear the compostition at the beginning of the last night by the young Scouse composer but missed it. Will try to look out for it on youtube.

oh cake - 5 hours of dish washing - that must be miserable. Hope you had some tv or music to entertain you. Did you get your day off?

Was a lovely sunny weekend here too and is forecast to be warm here today altho think it might be the last hot day. We had a fab day out yesterday at Schloss Thurn - can thoroughly recommend it and even more if you catch a discount on groupon. linzer - its only 35 mins north of playmobil fun park so it would be a really fun add on to the trips that you make there. But have just emailed the people who run it to just comment on how absolutely miserable every member of staff was. They had "fun team" on their tops but that couldnt have been further from the truth. They just all looked like they were bored, fed up and would rather have been anywhere but serving food or whatever. I understand that on a hot day it must be exhausting to do that kind of job but dont do it then if you hate it so much. Its just back to the previous moan about poor customer service here. Dh compared it to a theme park in the States - yeah they are over the top with friendliness there but thats how it should be at a fun park.

I'd still recommend it tho Smile.

Well off now to try to wake dd - she needs to get back into a school sleeping pattern before her alarm goes at 6.20 on thurs but she's still asleep!!!

itsMYNutella · 10/09/2012 08:54

Cake yes maternity jeans, and yes I've only just started wearing them because they are waaaaay too hot! I'm waiting for a parcel from Seraphine... With dresses and goodies in... Went a bit mad with the credit card but i'll be returning a couple of things Confused

Admylin I think it depends if the credit card is from your bank and therefore linked direct to your account or sort of separate. DP has one from Deutsche Bahn (since he often travels by train for work he likes to collect as many points as possible). I'm sure they can be paid in instalments if you choose that method... Although I think it isn't very German

Re the midwife- I think what really cheased me off is at first the fact that she might not get paid was her excuse, then even when I guaranteed that I would pay her she was still being really awkward. :( Angry anyway, not an issue. Happy not to waste anymore of my time on it! :)

Good luck with the running Linzer! I'm hoping to get back into some jogging, very gently, next year but we shall see...

I'm off now to shower and carefully get myself properly dressed :) all these years I've managed fine; even when I had to be at work for 6am. Pregnancy seems to have sapped my powers Hmm Confused in the past few weeks the various cakes and savoury thingies that have required "baking" (5 separate things) have not turned out right

Not to be deterred, I will keep trying! :o

CakeBump · 10/09/2012 08:55

world you could be right re: the Dutch, although we're just as close to Belgium here and I never hear a word about them (probably they are just regarded as not worth commenting on!). The border to both is around 40 minutes away - Eupen (Belgium) is about an hour, Liege is about an hour and a half. Heerlen, where my friend lives in Holland is about an hour and a quarter.

I'm pleased we come across as managing the restaurant well, although that is possibly because you only get snippets on here :) It is incredibly stressful and I have to say, can often cause rows or fallings out between DH and I when it all gets a bit too much...

admylin I nodded my head sagely at your credit card troubles! I applied for one last year soon after I moved here. They wouldn't let me have one until they'd seen 3 months wages go into my account, which I thought was very sensible.... but then the first time I used it was to go on holiday to France, and I put ?700 on it. The next month the whole lot came out of my account (on the 15th of every month). I marched into the bank and demanded to know what was going on, and they looked at me like I was an alien!! They simply thought that I was insane, expecting that I could spend like mad on my card and not have to pay it all back again immediately!! :) It was then that I started to grasp some of the fundamental differences between the UK and Germany Grin

I don't have one any more as to be honest they are just debit cards with a slightly longer wait-time before the money gets debited, although they are sometimes useful if you buy a lot over the internet.

Enjoy the last of the good weather everyone! We're expecting it to turn tomorrow (and the Eifel gets notoriously cold!). We've got Ruhetag today although there's lots to do - two sets of doctor's appointments, cash and carry, got to nip to Bonn to pick something up and we're also taking delivery of our pushchair Grin which I'm excited about. No rest for the wicked!!

admylin · 10/09/2012 09:03

Thanks everyone for the credit card info. cheaspicks I think dh has to ask the bank to up his dispokredit for his account for a month then. I'll tell him to get hold of his bank.

It'd be interesting to have a read in your dh's old text books on ML (Marxismus-Leninismus) and SEK (sozialistische Einheitskunde)!

Dh is still trying to get out of goint on this trip as he feels it's an insult that 4 or 5 months ago when they all registered for this meeting, they said there was no funding for him to go but now they realise they need his help to give 2 lectures they suddenly have enough funding.

ploom well done for e-mailing the park about the service. If only more people did that it might make them listen. I've e-mailed places about excellent service before on the rare occasion where I am impressed with friendly good service too!

itsMYNutella · 10/09/2012 09:09

We picked up our (second hand via eBay) pushchair yesterday :) which was wierdly exciting... Got home and put it (rather unceremoniously) in the cellar. Hope you have fun playing with it Cake make sure you know how to collapse it! We had friends over on Saturday night and they have a sister in Paris who has kids.... Took 5 adults (with engineering backgrounds) to fold up a buggy and put it in a car

Ploom I can't imagine going to a theme park where all the staff are miserable.... But that was before I moved to Germany :o I often make (rather anti-German I'm sorry) jokes that Germans really don't like to serve...

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 09:11

Cake How do you manage to buy things over the Internet without a credit card? I don't have one either as I refuse to pay ?25 a year for the "privilege", but it means I have to use DH's credit card to buy online (I know the number off by heart Blush).

Nutella It's all good preparation for when the baby's here and you're unlikely to be up and dressed by 6 am then either. Well, you might be up... Grin

Ploom Glad you had a nice day out but grr at the staff. I had to laugh at the Playmobil staff with "The Friendly People" on their tops, although tbf they were all perfectly friendly! Will bear it in mind if and when we go to Playmobil land again.

worldcitizen · 10/09/2012 09:25

Ploom I think as a non-UK person I don't necessarily grasp those underlying currents, but do know about the differences and the hard feelings sometimes I however only sort of watch and enjoy the music.

cake I had to laugh about the Belgians and that they might be not worth to mention ha ha ha. What is it with the poor Belgians. No-one really seems to talk about them much and then the French like to ridicule them and up here the Belgians are almost non-existent, but then again I think up here no-one is really on anyone's mind.
I hear that folks in Bremen constantly speak about Hamburgers and Hamburg I think they must have a huge chip as here no-one is ever concerned about Bremen.
I hear in Cornwall people constantly complain about the driving skills of all the tourists and incomers.

nutella I can understand it. I would feel this is already a bad start and if she is already so rude and ill-mannered to mention money in this way, I would think she is also lacking some social skills on different levels. How is there going to be positive and trusting atmosphere to accompany me during something so precious like my pregnancy.

Linzer i also had to laugh about your examples. The window one is a good example, as the issues with opening and closing windows when around others is a touchy subject. will it be in a restaurant, public transport, or in the workplace. I actually cannot stop laughing right now remembering quite a few stories in that regard.

admylin · 10/09/2012 09:28

linzer I use dh's card for online shopping too! I'd rather not have one myself and as you say it's not as if they are free. They even charge for a boring old normal bank card when the old one is damaged or out of date!

nutella which floor do you live on? Have you started looking at baby beds and furnicture yet? Don't worry about your baking, it's not you - I'm sure it's the flour (or your oven) tha's wrong! I can't even make yorkshire pudding here and everyone says it's so easy to make them.

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 09:59

admylin I have to pay about ?20 a year for my normal bank card even if it doesn't need replacing; it's a complete rip-off!

world I can laugh about it now too, but it really used to get to me at the time. When I moved out of the halls of residence in Berlin, I had to get my room inspected and the woman who came to do it had a real go at me (OK, the room was probably very dusty but it wasn't ridiculously dirty) and was saying things like "Didn't your mother teach you to clean properly?". I burst into tears as soon as she'd left! Blush

worldcitizen · 10/09/2012 10:11

Linzer I am so sorry, but this makes me laugh. I cannot stop laughing. because they are perfect examples and I can see that so much. I don't even know what to say. let me stop laughing and then I'll write more.

Oh and I am not laughing about you. It's more this hitting the nail on the head descriptions which make me not sure if I should laugh or cry because it is so ridiculously bad, but the tears come anyway

LinzerTorte · 10/09/2012 10:19

Don't worry world, it was nearly 20 years ago now so I've come to terms with it. Grin IIRC it was on the very same day that a man on the bus had a go at me for laughing at a street called Keithstraße (in a private conversationn with DH!) and it just felt like the last straw. And I was so glad to leave. (But we went back a couple of years ago, had a lovely time, and didn't come across a single rude person. Grin)

cheaspicks · 10/09/2012 10:19

linzer I pay with Lastschrift mostly. Or DH's credit card if it's something expensive.

admylin I must ask DH whether it really was called SEK and whether his school books are somewhere in PIL's attic...

ploom I'm a bit allergic to God Save The Queen as well, despite being English. My mum refuses to stand up for it and I guess a bit of her republicanism has rubbed off on me. I'm rather Blush to admit that I didn't watch a single prom this year, but with the Olympics and a more active social life since moving house we've done a lot less channel-hopping had to catch up on five weeks' of Neighbours and haven't really registered the Proms being on.

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cheaspicks · 10/09/2012 10:27

linzer that is astonishingly rude and would have made me cry too Shock.

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worldcitizen · 10/09/2012 10:29

cheaspicks I also watched so much television due to Olympics and Paralympics and watched the Closing Ceremony last night and I didn't realise it was essentially a Coldplay concert. Did they announce this before?

Linzer after a while I guess you grow a thick skin Grin

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