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Die Kaffeestube Teil 2 - virtual Kaffeeklatsch in Germany and Austria

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cheaspicks · 22/08/2012 09:57

Chat for those living in a German-speaking country, or anyone else who is interested.

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itsMYNutella · 03/09/2012 11:29

phew... well a few days away and it's taken me all morning just to catch up on reading the thread!
Denmark was lovely, if a bit odd. Totally relaxed and enjoyed ourselves. We were on the island of Rømø. There was not much to do but that was sort of what we wanted. We took the ferry to Sylt one day and really enjoyed having a wander around there. Found an amazing place for cake - which we will return to.

Totally agree with all those that find the choice here restrictive. I also find it frustrating and tend to shop online for everything. IMHO fashion here is awfully boring (even though I'm not a crazy clothes nut) and the cut and quality disappointing... especially for the price... I still look Shock when I (finally) find a decent pair of jeans and they cost about 60-80 ?

wanting I can also really sympathise with homesickness. I came here not speaking any German (maybe I could count to 3 but that was about my limit) and it was the start of a long dark winter :( - it's bloomin cold in Bayern! but really enjoyed my German lessons and it was a great way to meet people!
Then I was starting to find my way around and we moved.... to Hannover.
Again German courses were a great place to meet people!!
I miss the coffee shops and cafes of Southern Germany though. DP misses the beer Wink of southern Germany!

We have finally given up the hunt for a new flat. Went to see a place last night, it was hilarious! The current family are hoping to move out ASAP and as lovely as the owner (and the building and the location) is she also doesn't - and hasn't in over ten years - spend a penny on the building. Honestly this would be the longest post on this thread if I listed the problems. So we are staying put. For now :)

Sorry for mammoth post!!

itsMYNutella · 03/09/2012 11:32

Oh... further to that DP can now feel baby moving :) when I lie down to go to bed the bean re-positions and gives me a good kicking generally (imagine it like a cat getting cosy and re-plumping the cushions or something) and DP was amazed to watch my belly moving one evening on holiday :o

Have a Drs appointment this afternoon. And they do a sugar test as standard so have to sit there for for even longer than normal... yay??

admylin · 03/09/2012 11:39

nutella Sounds like you had a lovely break away. I wonder if that was my landlady you met! She was so sweet, big smiles etc then when we moved in we realised she doesn't put a penny back into her property. It's annoying becuase we would have to spend money getting a lawyer to fight her for anything so we just suffer instead. Oh well atleast the dc haven't got far to walk to school and they have their own rooms. I've seriously thought of moving into a 3 room flat for affordability and putting our bed behind a shelf in the living room or something!

Our bath tub is scratched, chipped and ancient and when I told her about it she proudly informed us that she owns several houses like this one and she has never changed a bath tub in 30 years!! She must be earning thousands a month in rent alone from all her houses. A new basic tub would cost ?400.

cake enjoy the ruhetag!

itsMYNutella · 03/09/2012 11:47

admylin I don't know, this one sounded like quiet an advanced tight-wad. Even the tenants said she was lovely (which I find nice but a bit bonkers) but apparently there is also a brother. Who tends to tend up in his porsche say that the intercom wont be repaired (they've only been waiting 12 years Shock) and that they can live with the electrics as they are (errr except they weren't wired by an official electrician in the first place) just don't use too many things - if they use the microwave that tends to blow the fuse.
The upstairs neighbours have invested a lot into their flat (again, it's a rental and I could never personally do that) but they can't use one of their toilets because the plumbing in the building is dodgy... and thats just the stuff I understood!!!
Perhaps the landlords are related?
We have visited some interesting places here. In more than one (with very I'm the boss this is my empire style) owner where we were allowed to paint the walls as we please, as long as we only use white.

oh goodness, another long post Confused sorry! Good job there isn't a daily limit on word allowance :o

admylin · 03/09/2012 12:06

nutella it's a real pain trying to find a place now. Last night just for fun I was looking at my old area in Berlin where we rented a flat behind the museum of natural history (right in the middle of Berlin) for just over 700? warm. Now flats in the same streets and area are going for over 1200? cold!

I have just made a pan of butternut squash soup and a round of chocolate muffins as I have no idea when my dc will be home today. Could be any minute now or it could be later around 3pm. Atleast soup and muffins are anytime food!

worldcitizen · 03/09/2012 12:56

Hello again to everyone,

this is shocking what is happening right now with all these high prices in certain cities.

I am wondering about those price explosions and WHO is going to pay that????

The salaries have certainly not changed since conversion to Euros????

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 13:00

Ploom So sorry to hear about your friend's sister. Sad I remember you mentioning your friend before. It's even more heartbreaking when there are young children involved.

I can definitely recommend holiday camps if your DC can be persuaded; mine all really enjoyed the ones they went to and it did make the nine weeks pass more quickly. Was just talking to a friend about how quickly the holidays went, but I know that wouldn't have been the case if I'd been stuck at home with the DC for the entire time (or even half the time; one or two weeks at home with nothing planned is enough for all of us, I think!).

admylin The DC were surprisingly awake this morning here too; they were up and ready to go by 7.30 am and I had to tell them to take their shoes back off! We'll need to leave the house by 7.30 at the latest from tomorrow, however; DD1 possibly slightly earlier as her new school starts at 7.45 am.

I don't actually mind going to DD1's and DS's parents' evenings as I don't really know too much about either the NMS or the Vorschule, so hopefully it will be vaguely interesting! I did almost die of boredom at the DDs' parents' evenings last year, however, when I had to sit through virtually the same thing twice and the teachers could really just have handed round the sheet they'd printed out and asked if there were any questions instead of explaining each point in mind-numbing detail.

cheas Well done on the phone calls; I always feel a real sense of achievement afterwards!

Cake Glad you're feeling better. I feel the same about Austria being behind the UK - although I think we're probably around a decade behind Germany in lots of ways, so it's more like 30-40 years behind the UK here. Grin

Nutella Hope the appointment goes well this afternoon. How frustrating about the flat-hunting. I'm sure there must be good landlords out there, but we've had bad experiences both in London (didn't get our deposit back - or maybe we had to carry on paying rent, I can't remember exactly - as the estate agents didn't find another tenant to move in after us Hmm) and here (lost our ?5000 deposit when landlord went bankrupt).

School seemed to go OK this morning for everyone, but it's early days so hard to say too much; DD1 was only in school for half an hour and we were with DS the whole time. The real test will come when we have to leave him on his own, from tomorrow. Only five of the other children from DD1's class were at church and we were the only parents (from her class) there; she went off with the teacher to school afterwards and made her own way back home.

admylin · 03/09/2012 13:34

ploom so sorry to hear about your friend*s sister. So sad for the dc.

linzer how far does your dd1 have to go now that she's changed schools? Is she with friends? Hope your ds feels OK about staying tomorrow. Do you think he will make friends quickly?

My 2 were back at around 1:30 today. Ds has 2 longs days until 3:30pm and dd only 1 long day. Typical though, ds has an appointment at the Kieferorthopäde tomorrow but I'll have to cancel or verschiebe as I don't want him to miss the first few lessons with new teachers etc. Why do they have to give appointments 3 or more months ahead when you don't know what you'll be doing then?

world I heard Hamburg was also one of those cities where it's really difficult to find affordable flats. Did you find it easy to get a place? I think the best flats go to friends of friends or people with contacts. Hmmm, shame we don't have either friends or contacts in Hannover!

worldcitizen · 03/09/2012 13:49

admylin

Yes, Hamburg is a very expensive city, but I think it is really outrageous in so many places.
I still have no flat on my own. I am subleasing now (Untermietsvertrag) and I am very happy with that situation. The flat owner is German, but he is working in India now and has worked in Ghana and Nigeria before and is also sometimes somewhere there in Dubai and Emirates I think, somewhere there.
So it suited us both, as he wanted a reliable person and I wanted something very specific as I am really a snob when it comes to certain neighbourhoods, and which street, and which building etc. I admit it Grin.
I am less choosy when living somewhere else, but in my hometown I can easily not feel comfortable if I feel it's not the 'right' place. It's hard do explain.

But I remember ages ago, when I was a uni student in Frankfurt (before the Euro) and the prices were outrageous and it was so hard to find something and half of my earnings were spent on housing costs, and there were lots of international high earning folks, it was terrible. But even there I lived great.

Knew people studying in Munich at the same time, same horror. Hamburg's housing market is so stuffed and closed. Seriously sometimes I am thinking about moving, but then the quality of life is so wonderful. My brother is most likely thinking to give up his flat and he has already recommended me as his Nachmieterin and they said 'yes', but it will be decided for sure in December/January. And my brother works a lot in Brussels and Paris and Geneva
and he has a sublease tenant...and he has promised him to re-new/extend the contract, which is why I couldn't move in there as he has promised him already not to worry and he would be able to stay longer...so I had to look for myself and I am happy I am settled for now.

Berlin has changed sooooooooo much and I think the flat prices are really outrageous.

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 13:59

Glad you had a nice day at the palace, Linzer, though sorry to hear the food was a disappointment.

Oh good, glad it's not just me re the shopping then! Frugal living is going well, I feel better for having less stuff, and more space, lighter. Haven't found a fireplace yet, still think I'd like to get one (despite my frugal and space-loving self in other areas!), as opposed to making a cardboard one. Will it feel like Christmas without one! I did find a ready-to-assemble cardboard one, but I felt it looked a bit rubbish. We have a fantastic cardboard bookcase (did I already say this? Sorry if I am repeating myself), wish the company that made the bookcase would make a festive fireplace!

admylin, I miss the shops being open on a Sunday, but getting used to it. Looking forward to going to the UK in a few weeks to stock up on a few things. Will I find a nice Christmas outfit for DS here in Germany? Not planning on going back to the UK after this next trip for a good while, not sure if they will have their festive outfits out yet.

The supermarkets are good for us, not as good as the UK in some ways, better in others. I do miss not being able to get certain things out of season. DS loves corn on the cob, which I can't always get here, but seemed to be always available in the UK. Trying not to live my life comparing though! :)

Cake, glad you are feeling better. Hope you find a few nice bits for the baby!
Nutella, how lovely your OH can feel the baby moving! Special times!

Ploom, so sorry to hear about your friend. I hope she wins the battle. Same age as me, DS is coming up to two: puts everything in perspective.

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 14:00

I'm sure it's the same here admylin and that the best places go to the people with the right connections. There are so few houses (slightly more flats) on the market here anyway and there were no decent "existing" ones in the six months or so that we were looking. Almost everyone I know who's bought a house that wasn't a newbuild has invested ???? in it.

DD1 has about a 10 minute walk to her new school; it's actually slightly closer than the primary school. She's with the six others from her class who are also going to the NMS, but isn't particularly close friends with any of them (not that she really had any close friends in her old class). Luckily, DS's best friend is in the same class as him. Otherwise, he only knows one boy and doesn't even know him very well (they were at different KiGas); he's actually our next-door neighbour, although we don't really have a lot to do with them. There are 11 boys and only 2 girls in the class, maybe a sign that girls are slightly more ahead at that age?

admylin · 03/09/2012 14:19

Vegans I'm sure you could paint a cardboard fireplace to make it look more authentic - if you can get the paint (Baumärkte are mind boggling in Germany!) or maybe a spray paint. For festive stuff you should be OK in Germany, it's one of the seasons that Germans do really well, excellent decorations, wreaths and lights. Should be able to get some lovely festive toddler clothes - just expect to spend ????? more than UK!

Linzer sounds good for ds that he'll have plenty of boys in his class! Also great that dd1 doesn't have to travel far to school. I remember you were talking about one of the secondary schools being a walk and a train journey away.

First homework: Dd has to produce some info and pictures about New York to make a collage tomorrow. Abit of warning would have been handy as my printer isn't on its best behaviour at the moment (odd stripes here and there). She'll just have to print some pictures and then cut out the best bits that have printed OK.

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 14:25

admylin, I have read much on how Germany is great for Christmas. I am so looking forward to it. Just having had the experience so far of limited clothing options for DS here, so hoping they do nice Christmas outfits. Don't like spending ??? though, when I don't have to!
Haven't ruled out making and painting a fireplace, just think it won't look so good. Nice and homemade though, I guess!

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 15:02

Vegans I do like Christmas time in this part of the world; it seems much less commercial, and I love all the Christmas markets and Glühwein. Haven't seen any nice Christmas outfits for DC here, but - as I may have mentioned - Austria is even worse for shopping than Germany IMO.

admylin That homework sounds like a nightmare! DD1 made a poster about London last year, but it took us days if not weeks.
Yes, we looked at a few secondary schools that were further away but in the end decided that the best one for her (and the one that she wanted to go to) is the nearest one.

DH has just been speaking to our neighbour whose son is DS's class. Apparently they haven't got a place in Hort for him yet but he's so naughty that Hort is the best place for him (his father's words)!

itsMYNutella · 03/09/2012 15:24

Awww Linzer that comment about your neighbours boy from his own dad is so :( I don't even know what Hort is Confused but it doesn't sound good!

Vegans funny you mentioning Christmas stuff (being pregnant is making me countdown to Christmas - due 27th - in weeks which is sometimes a little depressing stressful when I think about it) my little bro sent me a picture of some mince pies he found in Morrisons the other day!

I agreee with Linzer and admylin Christmas here is nice and feels more... authentic I suppose is a good word.

world renting in Germany is still a much better deal than in the UK but I don't have much energy and interest in making a rented place nice. I have a small flat in London (which I rent out funnily enough - I was very lucky some years ago) and I would love to buy a flat here and make it my own.

Having said that, now we have decided to stay I am determined to make this flat nicer! Even if it means investing a few shillings I want a few nice pieces and a bit more decoration. Any interesting websites or good magazine recommendations are gladly accepted!!

right, better get to the Dr's office... have my lightest clothing on :) ready for the scales!! :o

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 15:30

Nutella Ooh, two Christmas babies on the thread - how exciting! (Sorry, I know you posted before that you were due around Christmas, but it must have slipped my mind.)
Hort is the afterschool club; not a bad place in itself, but Sad that someone would want to send their child there because they're naughty.

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 15:36

Sorry to everyone who doesn't like talking about Christmas in September, btw! I'd normally restrict myself to the Christmas board, but I just wanted to ask in advance re the outfits, as I'll try and find something in the UK in three weeks, if they have stuff out yet! And the fireplace! Just trying to be organised! :)
Linzer, I am looking forward to the festive markets, and snow!

Ooh, Nutella, must be so exciting, it is coming round fast, hey! Are you going for a festive name for your baby? My brother was born on Christmas Day! His name means 'day of the Lord', though my parents only found this out later!

Linzer, what is Hort?

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 15:37

Aw, I see. Is there a chance the father didn't mean it unkindly? Joke lost in translation?

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 15:50

I think he probably did say it half-jokingly, yes. Another mother I know sent her DD to Hort because she said she'd get bored at home on her own all afternoon - although she can't have been too desperate for child-free time, as she now works there herself!

I've always liked the name Holly and half-considered it for DD1, but it was another name ruled out by DH for being "too English". She ended up with an unseasonal, or rather season-neutral, name. Grin

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 15:58

I hope so!

Is your DD1 a December baby?

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 16:14

Yes, she was born on the 26th (20 minutes after midnight so narrowly escaped being a Christmas Day baby!).

WhatWouldVegansDo · 03/09/2012 16:21

That must have been a nice Christmas for you all.

LinzerTorte · 03/09/2012 17:24

A memorable one, definitely! We managed to get through all of Christmas dinner and half of the Sound of Music. Grin I felt a bit guilty about disturbing the midwife on Christmas Day, but she was very nice about it.

AntiqueMuppet · 03/09/2012 17:26

Linzer DS would have been called Holly, had he turned out to be a DD :)

CakeBump · 03/09/2012 17:34

Lots of Christmas babies!!

We're lucky with the rental situation here compared to all you guys in big cities - it's such a small village and everyone knows each other, so if you are looking to move, you just seem to put the word "out there" and something seems to turn up!!

It's also incredibly cheap. A biggish three bedroom house with a garden goes for about ?500 cold. You could probably get one in a less good state for about ?350 cold. Not that any of this helps us as we can barely afford our two room flat at the moment!! I can dream though.... I think I'll end up returning to work next year after maternity leave just so we can afford to move. :)