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Shit. DH's cancer has spread.

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AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 31/12/2017 14:15

Background: DH has smoked for 50 years and had pneumonia 10 years ago. He felt unwell in July this year, the day before we were going on holiday, so he took himself off to the walk in centre which surprised me, he has always minimised any health concerns and has a hospital phobia. He was admitted to hospital immediately with pneumonia for the second time and spent a week in hospital, where he wasn't responding well to treatment and his fever wouldn't reduce.

The hospital sent him for follow up scans after he was discharged, this showed a large mass in his left lung. He saw the smoking cessation nurse before he was discharged from hospital and successfully completed a course of Champix, he hasn't smoked since the day he was admitted in July.

The follow up from the scan results revealed that the mass was cancerous and he had a large tumour that was wrapped round the top of his aorta. Because of the position they couldn't biopsy it easily and the initial results were inconclusive; he ended up having an exploratory op under general anaesthetic where the surgeon went in through his neck and took some samples. When the results came back he was diagnosed with stage 4 non small cell lung cancer, and there was another tumour growing in the bronchioles. He was given the choice of chemo first then removal of the tumour, or going straight for surgery, which was the less risky option. He went for surgery and at the start of this month the lung was removed and the tumours with it. He developed a heart murmur following the surgery and was in intensive care for a week, but was discharged the week before Christmas and is being cared for by me and DS at home.

On Friday we were called in to see the consultant and told that the histology results show that the cancer has spread to the lymph nodes in two places and there is a small window of opportunity for chemo to be successful. The stage 4 cancer was downstaged following surgery and is now classified as N1. He's not fit enough for the chemo yet and there's a chance that by the time he is well enough for it, the window will have closed.

I feel numb. Everyone is devastated and I'm trying so hard to stay positive but inside I'm screaming how unfair it is, we have just got the point where DS is almost an adult and we were looking forward to the child free years we never had before we married (we had DS within a year of getting together). DH is really depressed but won't see his GP because he doesn't want to take any more medication, he's already on 30 pills a day, and says that depression is inevitable with cancer. I have never had any real experience of cancer as nobody in my family has had it. Family friends have died from different types of cancer but they weren't close enough that we saw the reality. MIL died from bowel cancer (on our wedding day) but didn't know she had it until the very end. Nobody we know has had cancer and survived.

Wow this is long. I just don't know what to expect. How will chemo affect him? What do we need to do to prepare? Is there anything I can be doing, buying, reading, to be ready? What happens if he can't have chemo? Any help would be great. We have a Macmillan nurse, and I have been with DH every time he sees a consultant or the surgeon, but the wait to see the oncologist is awful.

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Thymeout · 02/01/2018 01:11

I know someone who was diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer 6 years ago. She had the tumour removed and it was discovered to have spread to the nearest lymph node so that was taken out, too. She then had chemo, but was able to work through it. She's an oncologist herself, at a top hospital in NYC.

Since then, she has been on medication - sorry, don't know what - and has been living a normal life for the last 5 years. Unfortunately, she then developed another tumour in her lung, but has now completed another course of more aggressive chemo, which seems to have seen it off.

I'm so sorry. You must be in a complete tail-spin. I'm telling you this because, although it did come back, it's a more positive time-frame than what you must be imagining. In her case, chemo was definitely a game-changer and I'd definitely get a second opinion if your current consultant seems to be dragging his heels.

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AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 02/01/2018 05:55

Thanks thyme, that's really good to hear. I suppose the positive is that his whole lung has already been removed, so no chance of a new tumour developing there, but if it does manifest in the other lung, the bad news is they can't remove that one! We should hear from the Macmillan nurse today about the appointment with the oncologist.

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Thymeout · 03/01/2018 00:10

How did you get on, Gretchen?

Re your DH's depression. I had an ovarian cancer scare with a huge tumour which was actually squashing my lungs. My local hospital thought it was malignant, from scans and probability stats, and the CSN actually told me there would be no op, just chemo. Fortunately, I was transferred to a specialist unit and the consultant disagreed, operated and I am absolutely fine. But I don't know how I would have got through that time without anti-d's and valium for special occasions. I wasn't tap-dancing down the street exactly, but it did take the edge off and at least I could eat and sleep. In the USA, it's routine to suggest anti-anxiety meds at diagnosis. I know you said he didn't want to take any more meds, but it's worth revisiting the idea.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 03/01/2018 01:01

He has an appointment with the oncologist next Thursday. I'm working on him with the depression, but he is adamant he won't take any more pills, so hopefully the support group will help to persuade him.

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LadyLapsang · 10/01/2018 23:40

Gretchen, hope your DH has a helpful appointment with the oncologist tomorrow and there are some positive options to consider.

Borntobeamum · 11/01/2018 12:43

Hope today gives you some positive answers x

BubblesInTheTub · 11/01/2018 12:55

Sorry this is happening to you and your family, OP.

I was 14 when my dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer. You said you DS was nearly an adult so maybe a few years older than I was. My parents decided not to tell me what was going on because they wanted to keep everything "normal" for me.

It was completely the wrong decision. I knew exactly what was happening but I didn't feel I could talk about or ask. I watched my dad get weaker, watched his hair fall out, watched his stays in hospital get longer, watched my mum being ridiculously stressed out and I felt I had to keep quiet to keep up the charade that everything was "normal".

My school life suffered. I was tired at school because of not sleeping at night. I got into fights, I was cheeky, I was caught smoking. I was just naughty enough that I caused trouble but get into trouble so my mum never knew. I got labelled as a "problem" and dropped a few sets in core subjects. It took a while for me to shake that label off and a few of my teachers still hated me even once I'd cleaned up my act.

What I wanted was for them to sit me down and tell me everything, openly and honestly so that I could have dealt with it properly (I didn't 100% know my dad was terminal but I was always a pessimistic child so I assumed it was!), asked all the questions I needed to ask and support them as much as I could.

TBH, I felt like everyone was laughing at me because everyone else in the family knew what was going on but I didn't. It was shit and I still haven't forgiven my mum for it.

Sorry, this is long-winded but my point is that you should talk to your son, be open and honest with him. Let him support you.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 22/01/2018 00:44

Sorry I've not been back to this thread in the last couple of weeks, it has been difficult to think about all this stuff. The oncologist and DH agreed to commence chemo and his first session is on Friday. However she said that only 1 in 20 people will have a benefit from it in similar circumstances (with his type of cancer) but it wouldn't harm the remaining 19 in 20, so it was worth the 5% chance it could stop the spread any further.

However she has said it won't be curative, the aim is to stop any further developments, but advised DH to apply for PIP under the rules for terminally ill patients. She couldn't give us a timescale for how long we have got together.

DS is 17. We have been open with him now and he knows as much as we do, although we haven't used the word terminal- he does know about the chemo chances though.

bubbles I'm so sorry that your teenage years were so difficult. What you have described is what I wanted to avoid for DS, he is already skipping sixth form and not focusing. His school have been brilliant and have arranged a named teacher he can go to if he feels upset or angry, he can come home if he needs to, he has dropped an A Level down to AS and has been offered the chance to do an extra year next year if he wants to without us having to pay (he's in year 13 and his school don't like students repeating year 13 because of their financial problems). One of his teachers in particular lost his brother to cancer when he was at uni so he understands how DS is feeling. DS hasn't told any of his friends or anyone at cadets because he doesn't want to be the boy with the sick dad - I understand that because I am the colleague with the sick husband at work and every conversation I have starts with a discussion about DH. I know that people are sympathetic and being nice, but sometimes you just want to escape from it.

Thank you all so much for letting me sound off. It helps to have an outlet because I don't have one anywhere else. I went to see my GP who just put me on diazepam and said I didn't have a medical problem it was a healthy reaction to stress, but the diazepam would let me get some sleep so I could function at work.

DH still won't come to bed. He has slept in his armchair for over a month now. He is able to drive again and seems a bit less mopey, because he can have a change of scenery.

Oh well onwards and upwards. Let's hope DH is the 1 in 20. Let's hope he is still with us in 20 years time. Got to stay positive.

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FellOutOfBed2wice · 22/01/2018 00:48

Thinking of you, OP Flowers

southboundagain · 22/01/2018 00:59

I'm thinking of you, OP. Regarding the pills, it might be worth asking your GP/oncologist whether all of them are vital as if you can reduce what he has to take, it might be a bit less of a burden on him, and then maybe he'd reconsider an antidepressant? Sometimes people stay on medication they don't always need any more (e.g. the doctor stopped my dad's blood pressure medication, originally intending it just to be a temporary stop for a procedure but his blood pressure's actually been fine ever since), but I obviously don't know how many of them are important for his current condition. Or sometimes you might possibly have once-daily options instead of twice-daily.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 22/01/2018 01:03

southbound at the moment they are all necessary and have only just been changed before Christmas. It's a great tip to keep them under review though, hopefully he can start to reduce the morphine as he recovers - he will now need to take anti emetics with the chemo as well.

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rose69 · 22/01/2018 08:13

I'm sorry, some great supportive advice on here. If you can handle it, would it be best to get married so you are legally next of kin

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 22/01/2018 09:59

rose we are married, have been for 17 years Smile

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Thymeout · 22/01/2018 11:33

V glad to hear you have a sympathetic GP. I found diazepam v effective for getting rid of that dreadful anxious feeling in my stomach which stopped me eating and woke me up in the middle of the night.

Does your DH find it easier to breathe sitting up than lying flat? Would it be worth investigating a recliner? It might be more comfortable for him without looking too medical in a domestic setting.

rose69 · 22/01/2018 19:47

Apologies I misread your original message

MaggieFS · 25/01/2018 17:10

OP, I'm so sorry to read this. Thinking of you.

My Dad's cancer was already advanced by the time it was diagnosed last year but he underwent a course of palliative chemo. Two tips:

  1. Chemo will bring more pills- although everyone is different, typically steroids and anti sickness. DD also ended up constipated as a result of something so had anti constipation stuff on top, and then block you up stuff for when that worked too well! He was the most organised man on earth and wrote everything down. He did this with the meds instructions too, but we eventually discovered he'd made some notes wrong and got in a bit of a pickle over what to take when (which he was far too proud to admit). Sorry I've rambled but the advice is for you to understand dosages too.
  1. As PP has said keep things reviewed. When we questioned things, turned out he didn't need to keep taking half the stuff because it felt like no one had an overview - prescriptions were coming from GP. Oncologist and chemo team

Hope the chemo goes ok.

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