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Employment Tribunal

126 replies

MarillStreep · 05/02/2025 21:53

What’s my chance of winning Employment Tribunal case?

Was employed there for three years. (Unfair dismissal, failure to make reasonable adjustments and discrimination arising from disability)

Was sacked under employer’s capability procedure due to ten sickness absences over three years. Seven of those sickness absences were related to my disabilities, which the employer knew about.

Was taken through capability procedure because of my disability related sickness absences. If I did not suffer with these disabilities, I would not have been sacked.

Employer refused to implement my reasonable adjustment request twice. Stating that every employee had to be treated the same. The reasonable adjustment would have prevented my dismissal.

I had one OH assessment throughout my employment. At the time of my dismissal, it was a year old. I was not offered another OH assessment after this one.

I was never asked if my boss could contact my GP for a medical report or for them to access my medical records. However, the employer have said in their Grounds of Resistance that I “failed to provide medical evidence”, but they never asked me for medical evidence…

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I’ve spoken to ACAS about it and they said it was a common reasonable adjustment for disability-related absences. It is even listed on their website.

I suppose the judge (quite literally) will be the judge of that. I told my previous employer in my emails that I would welcome suggestions from them, but as I said, they refused.

I’m so sorry. I am trying to answer each question as they come

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They were office jobs meaning I wouldn’t have to walk around the building, that would have been a big help given the nature of one of my disabilities. The option of redeployment wasn’t discussed with me, not even a trial period to see how it would go

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MarillStreep · 07/02/2025 19:21

LSTMS30555 · 06/02/2025 11:55

It's absolutely not unreasonable to ask that disability absences are separate to normal sickness absences.
This is exactly what my employer has in place for me (suggested by HR manager) who thought it unfair to group them. It's not unreasonable to think they shouldn't be grouped, besides you're absences over 3 years shouldn't have triggered regardless of being grouped.
I think 17/18 days totalling over a 3 year period isn't a big issues especially when disability's are at play.

Fingers crossed for you OP I hope you take them to the cleaners & shame them into never doing this again.

Thank you. Can I ask if your employer is a large company, or a smaller one?

Apologies for drip feeding, but at the end of my emails asking for reasonable adjustments, I even said that I’d welcome alternative suggestions - but they failed to suggest any alternatives. I hope that’ll work in my favour!

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MarillStreep · 07/02/2025 19:43

@CantHoldMeDown That’s just it, though. Asking for reasonable adjustments in relation to disability related absences is not that same as asking for those absences to be ignored. It’s asking for them to be recorded separately.

Given the fact I explained in my emails that there were other possibilities and then asked them to suggest alternatives, is a factor to consider. They did not do these things.

Especially given their own policy says that their own absence policy is a guideline and flexibility is required when dealing with disability related absences (and pregnancy related absences, for that matter)

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MarillStreep · 07/02/2025 19:52

@CantHoldMeDown Thank you for taking the time to speak to me (and everyone else who has commented on this thread.) I value your input, since it’s interesting to read different perspectives.

I’ll certainly update you on the tribunal outcome, if we don’t reach a settlement beforehand!

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thinkfast · 07/02/2025 22:58

Why do you think they needed to offer you alternative roles if they dismissed you for absence OP? That would only apply in a redundancy scenario.

Anyway, good luck in your claim. As I said I believe there are differing judgments on whether it would be a reasonable adjustment to treat your disability related absences differently from other absences in deciding whether to dismiss. The strongest part of your claim sounds like they dismissed you when they didn't dismiss non-disabled employees with longer periods of absence.

CaptainFuture · 07/02/2025 23:16

MarillStreep · 06/02/2025 16:13

I know that I was not treated consistently because a former colleague had more absences than me and three times as many days off than I had, despite not being employed for as long as I was.

The colleague does not have any disabilities or disability related absences. The colleague wasn’t ever disciplined, let alone get sacked for it.

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Do you know they don't have any disabilities? Have they told you this themselves?
Is it appropriate for their personal info to be shared like this?

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user04 · 08/02/2025 00:52

Highly unlikely a tribunal would say that an employer should have offered an alternative role. The duty is to consider reasonable adjustments to enable the employee to carry out their contracted role.

JoyousPinkPeer · 08/02/2025 08:42

MarillStreep · 06/02/2025 18:51

My former colleague has asked for their sickness absences data via DSAR to be used as evidence at the final hearing!

Is your former colleague a witness for you?

LIZS · 08/02/2025 09:04

Did you apply for one or all of the three roles? I'm not sure that employer was obliged to make suggestions to counter the request for adjustmenrs.

MarillStreep · 08/02/2025 09:15

thinkfast · 07/02/2025 22:58

Why do you think they needed to offer you alternative roles if they dismissed you for absence OP? That would only apply in a redundancy scenario.

Anyway, good luck in your claim. As I said I believe there are differing judgments on whether it would be a reasonable adjustment to treat your disability related absences differently from other absences in deciding whether to dismiss. The strongest part of your claim sounds like they dismissed you when they didn't dismiss non-disabled employees with longer periods of absence.

Because for capability dismissals, dismissal has to be the last resort. Since there were other options available, such as getting an up to date medical position, redeployment (or trial period) and reasonable adjustments to absence policy etc.

Dismissal was hardly a last resort

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vivainsomnia · 08/02/2025 12:15

Surely the key matter here is that according to you, they haven't recognised the one disability you claim was the reason for most of the absences as a disability (as defined in the Act I would assume).

You say they have acknowledged one of your two disabilities.

How are you evidencing that the second disability is indeed one recognised as such legally? You said it would likely be.

Until this is done, the rest of the challenge becomes meaningless.

I don't want to come up as offensive but the way you communicate on this thread is very scattered and would lead to confusing rather than convincing. This could be because you don't want to share everything here though.

CandyLeBonBon · 08/02/2025 14:33

user04 · 08/02/2025 00:52

Highly unlikely a tribunal would say that an employer should have offered an alternative role. The duty is to consider reasonable adjustments to enable the employee to carry out their contracted role.

Not true. As evidenced in the Rentokil vs Miller tribunal. Mr Miller was a pest control technician in a “field role” and was then diagnosed with multiple sclerosis meaning, unfortunately, he was no longer able to perform his role. He applied for a service administrator role but was unsuccessful and ultimately dismissed.

The Employment Tribunal upheld Mr Miller’s claim that he should have been trialled in the service administrator role and subsequently awarded remedy to the Claimant for unfair dismissal and disability discrimination.

The conclusion was that that the burden of reasonable adjustments perhaps goes further than we have previously expected and putting forward of a trial in an alternative role should be considered before immediately jumping to a dismissal.

ET2025 · 10/02/2025 00:11

Best of luck OP & please do update your final hearing outcome as I m very interested. I’m currently going through ET as well. My preliminary hearing is in 2 weeks time but I have got solicitor represent me. We both pretty much have the same claim but mine is far worse than yours. I have two OH reports recommended reasonable adjustment and one from my GP but my previous employer failed to implement reasonable adjustment for me on 3 occasions. They failed to follow ACAS code when dealing with my formal grievance. In the end, I resigned with immediate effect as constructive dismissal.

MarillStreep · 10/02/2025 05:56

CandyLeBonBon · 08/02/2025 14:33

Not true. As evidenced in the Rentokil vs Miller tribunal. Mr Miller was a pest control technician in a “field role” and was then diagnosed with multiple sclerosis meaning, unfortunately, he was no longer able to perform his role. He applied for a service administrator role but was unsuccessful and ultimately dismissed.

The Employment Tribunal upheld Mr Miller’s claim that he should have been trialled in the service administrator role and subsequently awarded remedy to the Claimant for unfair dismissal and disability discrimination.

The conclusion was that that the burden of reasonable adjustments perhaps goes further than we have previously expected and putting forward of a trial in an alternative role should be considered before immediately jumping to a dismissal.

Thank you, so much. I’ve made reference to this case in my witness statement

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user04 · 10/02/2025 06:46

Witness statements aren’t for case law OP. That goes in your submissions.

That case is also distinguishable since the claimant applied for the alternative role

MikeRafone · 10/02/2025 07:11

I’ve been through employment tribunal and it was fairly straightforward, the evidence was there and they took that and made judgment

we won
Not an absence case though.
you have by the sounds of it plenty of evidence in the way of emails etc

good luck

MarillStreep · 10/02/2025 17:46

MikeRafone · 10/02/2025 07:11

I’ve been through employment tribunal and it was fairly straightforward, the evidence was there and they took that and made judgment

we won
Not an absence case though.
you have by the sounds of it plenty of evidence in the way of emails etc

good luck

Thank you. I’m so glad it went well for you!

The respondent have denied that they were aware of one of my disabilities, despite having lots of correspondence between us about said disability. I’m not too concerned about it though because the evidence speaks for itself (as does my disability impact statement)

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JoyousPinkPeer · 12/02/2025 09:54

Would love to watch your ET, sounds very interesting.

MarillStreep · 12/02/2025 12:04

@JoyousPinkPeer Thank you. I’ve spoken to a volunteer employment solicitor who told me that all of my claims were strong

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 12/02/2025 12:15

MarillStreep · 12/02/2025 12:04

@JoyousPinkPeer Thank you. I’ve spoken to a volunteer employment solicitor who told me that all of my claims were strong

Great, I thought as much as your union had already said this. I wish you well, hope you win.