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Inherited a property in Trust, can anyone advise?

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Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 11:22

Hi all

I’m fumbling in the dark with an inheritance/property matter at the moment.

I’ll preface this by saying that I’m planning to consult the relevant professional(s), but I really don’t know where to start/who to direct my initial query to. I’m hoping that a fellow Mumsnetter has experienced something similar and might be able to point me in the right direction.

I’ll try to keep it as brief as possible while still laying out the facts; my mother died in April 2023. She and my father (still married) had mirror wills so we didn’t apply for probate when she died. My father then died in April 2024. My brother and I are joint executors of the will. We took the decision to pay a probate company to manage the process for us. Probate has been applied for and we’re expecting it to be granted around October time.

The ‘estate’ comprises of c.£325k in cash/savings/investments. There is also a property (worth c.£250k), but, in 2017, the property was placed into a Family Trust. The Trustees are my mother and my father (both now deceased), my brother and me. The Trust status means that the property is not considered part of the ‘estate’ from a probate perspective (and the probate company won’t deal with anything relating to the property).

The will leaves an equal one-third share of the ‘estate’ to me, my brother and my adult son (the only grandson). Because the property is in Trust, the ‘estate’ is only the cash/savings/investments. Technically, the property now belongs to me and my brother, but we plan to split the sale proceeds in line with the will (i.e. a one-third share for me, my brother and my son).

We want to sell the house ASAP. I’m already taking the necessary steps to have my parents’ names removed from the property’s Title Register and to correct my name/address on the document (they’ve both changed since the document was drawn up).

But we really don’t know who we need to work with to ensure that the process of splitting the sale proceeds three ways is done legally. Do we need to speak to a solicitor, and, if so, what specialism? Would it be more straightforward to have the Trust amended? Would we be better off speaking to an accountant (so we meet our legal obligations re. Capital Gains Tax, etc)?

My brother has suggested applying for a Deed of Variation for the will, but I don’t think that’s applicable here – we don’t want to change the will, the will is fine as it is and the estate will be distributed as my parents wanted.

Can anyone help (before my brain explodes!)?

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BeachRide · 16/07/2024 14:02

Are you worried your brother won't hand over his 1/6 of the house proceeds to your son unless officially directed to?

DogInATent · 16/07/2024 14:49

BobandRobertaSmith · 16/07/2024 12:28

@DogInATent OP has said she is going to seek professional help but is asking for advice on the best professional to advise her, a perfectly reasonable question when the situation requires both tax and legal advice 🙄 It also takes time to get professional advice… have you never been in a situation where something is playing on your mind and you can’t wait for an answer?

I know, and my first reply clearly stated a solicitor. And given how few operate independently vs. as part of a practice that's suitably and sufficiently specific.

Other PP are picking up on some of the details, but overall this needs a solicitor to unpick because there are indications that there may be a couple of significant issues that predate the current situation and will have a direct bearing on it.

Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 20:28

Bettergetthebunker · 16/07/2024 12:45

This needs legal advise. It depends how the trust is setup. The trust may well own the asset and thus you won’t be able to sell it, which is by design. Or it’s a different kind of trust and you’ll be just fine. All depends how it’s been setup.

I've got a shortlist of the top local legal firms that deal with trust matters, so calling around is my job for tomorrow morning.

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Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 20:29

londonmummy1966 · 16/07/2024 12:48

You probably won't need an accountant as most solicitors firms that deal with trusts will have a team who can do trust tax returns etc. I would recommend finding a solicitor local to you who is a member of the Society of Trust and Estate Practitioners (STEP) you can find one here https://www.step.org/about-step/public

Thank you for that, I'll make sure I check that out when I'm calling around tomorrow morning

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Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 20:36

Another2Cats · 16/07/2024 13:55

"Anyway, it turns out that my son is listed by name as a 'discretionary beneficiary'. But he's not listed as a Trustee."

You have to be over the age of 18 to be a trustee. Was he younger than that at the time? That would explain it.

You mention 'discretionary beneficiary'. From this I would assume that it is a discretionary trust. What this means is that the beneficiaries are not entitled absolutely to the assets of the trust or any particular percentage (unless the trust says otherwise) and the trustees can distribute the money how they see fit.

So, since you and DB are the surviving trustees you decide between yourself when and if any assets from the trust are distributed to any of the beneficiaries.

Unless the trust specifically mentions that DS should get a certain percentage then it is entirely up to you and DB as trustees to decide how much to give him.

"We both know it's not as simple as "here you go, here's a briefcase with £80k in it"."

Actually, it is. As long as both you and DB as trustees agree to do that.

"DB and I also want to minimise our liability for CGT if at all possible."

This can be a real issue. If there is no need to sell the house immediately then if one of you lives in the house as your main residence for a period of time then this will help with reducing the amount of CGT payable.

Thank you for this information, it's really helpful.

DS was over 18 at the time the Trust was drawn up in 2017 (he's nearly 40 now).

The trust document doesn't mention any kind of percentages. There's nothing relating to that at all.

Unfortunately, neither of us want to live in the house ourselves, so it's got to be sold.

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Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 20:37

BeachRide · 16/07/2024 14:02

Are you worried your brother won't hand over his 1/6 of the house proceeds to your son unless officially directed to?

Not at all!

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londonmummy1966 · 16/07/2024 21:01

Puppyinaflat · 16/07/2024 20:28

I've got a shortlist of the top local legal firms that deal with trust matters, so calling around is my job for tomorrow morning.

You don't want a top legal firm - they'll charge several hundred pounds an hour. You just want a competent local lawyer listed in the STEP directory.

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