Ex agreed to relocation abroad. Is this it?

[amamaoftwo]

Hi everyone,

My ex partner and father of our two children was recently arrested a second time for possession of indecent images of children and might or might not be put on the sex offender registry (adding details to see if it changes anything to our case at all) and he might not be able to have any contact other than supervised in the future if he's charged.

Therefore, he agreed for me to move back to my home country with our children (one is 2, I'm 7 months pregnant with the second one) and wrote a letter of consent stating that he trusts me and that it is for the children's best interest to move abroad.

Is this all I needed to do?
Right now he's not allowed any contact at all by police, once he is out on investigation, can I keep it this way?

Can he change his mind in say 6 months/one year time and request that we move back or that he I fly the children to the UK unsupervised on holidays. Can he change the conditions at all? He didn't mention anything about contact in the letter he wrote.

I would be moving to a country that's not part of the Hague convention if that is any relevant.
I was assured by a solicitor that it wasn't kidnapping but I'm scared that he will change his mind in the future.

Thank you

What nationality would the child be then though? It sounds as if they wouldn't be entitled to Saudi nationality due to being born out of wedlock and wouldn't be entitled to British nationality either if not born there.

Why would your ex partner know if you were back in the UK to give birth? You don’t have to tell him.
I hope you can make it, good luck x

This is odd. Only Saudi Arabia, as far as I know and I very much might be wrong, makes birth for unmarried women illegal. But OP said the country she was moving to was signatory to the Hague Abduction Convention, which Saudi Arabia is not. That combined with this comment coming from a new account… I’m not sure. I don’t doubt the original OP at all. I’m doubting this new comment that may or may not be OP.

Im sorry I have no idea on finding a way to fly, but Id go back to the UK for the birth if you possibly can. You're ex doesn't need to know you're back and once in the country you'd have a better chance of getting into a refuge. Maybe posting in a busier forum or under a new title may help as the issue's changed a lot. You're not failing your children, you're doing your best in a very tough situation. You've got a lot on your plate. Given what he's done getting your children away from him was the priority of a good mum. I hope someone else can help you find a good way forward.

Agreed.

Morocco also considers it illegal, and I believe it is part of The Hague Convention. I’m sure there are other countries too (only aware of Morocco after a friend’s ex kidnapped her children there).

OP where’s your child’s father from?

I may be not searching the right way, but the UAE seems to still have some issues with this too. In 2020-21 migrant women wanting to return home who'd had children outside marriage while in UAE had to serve prision sentences before they were allowed to leave the country. There have been recent changes. but Id want to see a lawyer in OPs position if she's talking about UAE.

Not a lawyer and I may be reading it completely wrong, sounds like OP might be ok as she got pregnant in a country where it was lawful. Not a lawyer at all, just got curious after your post. Several Muslim countries seem to have made changes to their laws around unlawful pregnancies in recent years which is great to see, but still a lot of ongoing issues around this.

Article 410: Children Born Out of WedlockA new provision regarding “children born out of wedlock” has been introduced and reads as follows:
Article 410: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with a female who has completed (18) Eighteen years of age and gives birth to an incestuous child shall be punished with imprisonment for a period of no less than (2) years. The female shall be punished with the same penalty.
In all cases, a criminal case is not instituted against them if a man marries a woman or one or both acknowledge the paternity of the newborn child, and identification papers and travel documents have been extracted for him in accordance with the laws of the country to which either of them belongs by nationality, taking into account the legislation in force in the country, and this marriage or acknowledgment and the extraction of Identification papers and travel documents for the child The termination of the criminal case or the suspension of the execution of the penalty, as the case may be.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dubaicourtmarriage.com/blog/is-it-illegal-to-get-pregnant-before-marriage/amp/

Ah ok, thanks! My understanding was there is no real risk of imprisonment in Morocco as something like 10% or more of babies are born out of wedlock there, so they’re currently fighting against the stigma and there’s lots of help online for OP, if she’s there. I also find it odd that OP would have had to be flying AT 35 or 36 weeks since she had not flown yet on the 5th, was home on the 8th, and now is past 36 weeks on the 18th. If it isn’t OP, it’s odd. If it is OP, of course I feel terrible for her and hope she can get the help she needs in the country she’s in.

Don’t tell your ex anything about anything! Is there a country you can access via a land border? If not, I was given doctors permission to fly many years ago to get home. I was 36 weeks and it was a private obstetrician in a foreign country. Whatever you do, do not inform your ex of any of it.

The update focuses more on citizenship for her child rather than arrest so it could cover a fair few countries I think.

But as you say, the update is strange, especially considering that she knew her log in details for several weeks, but then forgot them 9 days later.

You're are an amazing mother xx

According to this, Saudi Arabia joined the Hague Convention in 2022: https://www.londonchamber.co.uk/news-and-insights/news/lcci-updates/saudi-arabia-joins-the-hague-convention/#:~:text=Having%20submitted%20their%20instrument%20of,to%20join%20the%20Hague%20Convention.

@Hols24 Sorry for the confusion! When we say the Hague Convention in this context (talking about child abduction), we’re talking about the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. It only has 103 signatories or members, while The Hague Convention has 122 I think? (Including Saudi Arabia). As you can see from the Wikipedia page (updated Nov 2022, whereas Saudi’s Arabia made its announcement April 2022) and the page of signatories, Saudi Arabia is not included in the Hague Abduction Convention.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HagueConvention_on_the_Civil_Aspects_of_International_Child_Abduction

https://www.hcch.net/en/instruments/conventions/status-table/?cid=24

EDIT: Pardon me, there are 125 apostilles to the Hague Convention, which can be found here: https://www.gsccca.org/notary-and-apostilles/apostilles/hague-apostille-country-list

Ah Ok thanks - I didn't appreciate the difference.

@Hols24 No problem! I know it’s super weird that they sign the Hague Convention but then don’t sign THAT part. I just updated my comment so you can see both lists (the 125 signers to the Hague Convention and then the 103, maybe one or two more, signers to the Hague Abduction Convention), just in case you ever need them for something, though I hope not 😬

Not sure this message is genuinely the OP.