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42 replies

oodieoodie · 08/10/2023 02:04

Hello

I am looking for some advice please to try and help my family member.

Years ago they took part in a reality TV show (!) and luckily for them it wasn't a huge success but has really affected their life since. My family member was really low and anxious when back in the real world. The production company arranged a telephone conversation with the show psychologist. However there was no follow up and no real duty of care at all since then. The show was a total mind fuck. My family member still dreams about being in this show even though it was approx 20 years ago. They've become introvert and scared to meet new people in case they get googled and find out about the show.

When speaking to my DP about how worried I am about my family member, he said 'they should sue the TV company'. Is this a possibility?

OP posts:
VineRipened · 08/10/2023 18:52

“When the truth was revealed and the experiment was over, each of the final three were given £25,000 prize money, presumably to soften the blow, or as Vaughan said during filming: “So when they eat humble pie, at least there will be some greens on their plate”. “

Fuckers.

LolSpinner · 08/10/2023 19:01

The show was originated by comedy writers Ben Caudell and Richard Osman.

Blimey, I'd have thought Richard Osman would not have got involved with something like that. How disappointing.

Mooshamoo · 08/10/2023 19:15

I think it's psychological abuse to lie to contestants.

How did companies get away with that?

Don't contestants have to sign consent forms?

Janieforever · 08/10/2023 21:48

Mooshamoo · 08/10/2023 19:15

I think it's psychological abuse to lie to contestants.

How did companies get away with that?

Don't contestants have to sign consent forms?

They had to nominate a trusted person who was told about the hoax and then sign it for them, agree they should take part.

Mooshamoo · 08/10/2023 22:19

Janieforever · 08/10/2023 21:48

They had to nominate a trusted person who was told about the hoax and then sign it for them, agree they should take part.

But that doesn't stand up in law.

You can't get an adult to sign a consent form for someone else.

That is not consent.

How did they think it was.

Under those grounds, I think he should sue.

They made a fool of them for weeks. If he is suffering from psychological damage 20 years later, I'd say he has a case.

VineRipened · 09/10/2023 00:27

I would think that setting up trusted relatives to betray you was half the problem, in long term problems.

Discwriter · 09/10/2023 00:57

Sounds shit OP, Im sorry for your relative. I think he should sue if it impacted his life so severely. He might need to check the statute of limitations, but I dont think anyone consenting on behalf of an adult with capacity will hold much water.

18daychallenge · 09/10/2023 02:02

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/07/16/space-cadets-cruel-reality-tv-prank-turned-ipswich-soviet-space/

A quick google shows that there have been some ethical issues for a long time. I would certainly pursue it, and if restricted due to statute of limitations, consider a class action with the other contestants.

Here is an article regarding somewhat successful litigation from participants of survivor, castaway and big brother https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/scarred-reality-show-survivors-queue-to-sue-tv-companies-173787.html

My friend was on C4 Bear Grylls The Island and quit in very very dramatic and embarrassing style within two days. He was humiliated and the subject of much abuse online. I believe he was approached by lawyers (because his abuse was public) to sue C4, but he declined as he wanted to forget it all (subsequently had became a alcoholic and had a breakdown but now thankfully sober).

Im very sorry for your family member x

Space Cadets, the cruel reality TV prank that turned Ipswich into a Soviet space station

When the winners of Space Cadets looked out of the window of their space shuttle they couldn’t believe how beautiful planet Earth looked.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2019/07/16/space-cadets-cruel-reality-tv-prank-turned-ipswich-soviet-space/

SequinsandStiIettos · 09/10/2023 02:18

Wow. I do remember the show and even the actor involved had weird dreams after. It has been 18 years though, so action now might seem like a money grab, unless you have a lot of medical evidence, counselling etc
I've always been amazed that slebs on IACGMOOH don't end up suing for distress/PTSD afterwards.

It won't help your relative but as a member of Joe Public, I admired them all for their reactions once it was disclosed and I was almost envious that they'd had a feeling of awe, even if it was falsified. I didn't think that could be taken from them. Wiki tells me they all visited Russia and experienced weightlessness and had a small sum of £.

Does that compensate humiliation on national TV?/having a lack of confidence in being able to trust others anymore etc/ or if an actor having orchestrated it?
It was a small amount. The names are on wiki/imdh but few would recall them.

If you are serious OP then Zeppetron's Exec Producer is now Richard Cohen acc to Linked In.

Johnny Vaughan in the interview below knows how dodgy the premise was and at least one contestant towards the end of the interview expresses concern over how it has affected how they view people now.
Might be enough to build a case for further compensation, above and beyond the trip and fee. Consent certainly not obtained.

The men from There's Something About Miriam sued btw. It had to be settled out of court before that shitshow could air. Miriam is dead now.

Ipswich, we have a problem: Space Cadets, the reality show that never left the ground | Reality TV | The Guardian

Ipswich, we have a problem: Space Cadets, the reality show that never left the ground

Presenter Johnny Vaughan, producers and participants remember the Channel 4 series that pretended to send participants into orbit from a Russian bootcamp, but mainly took place on an airbase in Suffolk

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/mar/17/ipswich-we-have-a-problem-space-cadets-the-reality-show-that-never-left-the-ground

SequinsandStiIettos · 09/10/2023 02:34

I felt sorry for the teacher who wasn't selected. Many comments below the line seem to believe the final three probably suspected but said nothing, a bit like audience members going along with a hypnotist (can happen, someone I knew went through a whole two hours pretending to be "under" as didn't want to look foolish/embarrass the hypnotist).

They probably wouldn't want the further scrutiny or to open it up again, but I'd read your relative's story. Would it bring closure to write about it all? There's a market for niche memoir/con artists etc
I'm not kidding - it would write itself. NDAs wouldn't hold.

Starstruck: how I was duped in ten days

  1. Thrillseeking
  2. Over the moon
  3. Rocket Man
  4. It ain't rocket science
  5. Back to Earth with a bump
  6. Feeling Hero to Zero
  7. Ashes to ashes
  8. A new dawn

Or contact Netflix. Prime are just doing the Nikita Russian con now.

TheLeadbetterLife · 09/10/2023 02:48

bossybloss · 08/10/2023 18:38

I remember thinking at the time how cruel and humiliating it was.

Me too. The worst of reality TV and prank shows combined. Both awful genres in their own right, but Space Cadets was the nadir.

That said, OPs relative should seek therapy rather than legal redress, and, as a pp suggested, get the reference removed from online search results.

WitchyFingers · 09/10/2023 13:13

So was your family member I was of the final 3? If so, he got £25k for his trouble so not too bad surely? If I remember correctly, there were a few actors among the contestants as well. He should also be having a word with whoever gave their consent for him to take part.

Honestly, he probably should look into therapy rather than trying to sue. Of all the crappy humiliating things that have happened to people on TV, this definitely isn't the worst.

oodieoodie · 09/10/2023 14:26

I'm sorry for not getting back to this sooner. Trying to do a quick reply whilst on lunch, and will come back later.

I don't think mentally that my relative could handle if it all came out in public that they were pursuing a case, and have suggested they seek counselling instead.

With regards to the person who consented: on the application forms for Thrillseekers you had to list your friends and family who could be contacted to say yay or nay to you doing a task. The person that the production company sought consent from was a younger family member. Another contestants relative was contacted for consent and they were 16!

I'm trying to put myself in my relatives shoes, but I find it quite hard as I would never want to take part in tv shows.
They say the hardest part was literally having your dreams shattered. 'In the simulator for 5 days there was really nothing to do apart from a couple of daily pointless 'funny' tasks. You start thinking about how your life is about to change in a huge way when you get home. There was a video message from Richard and Judy stating how well they were all doing and even the Queen was watching. Imagine believing that, and then you realise a day or 2 later that you've actually just been the subject of an humiliating practical joke. On TV'

I feel bad for them and can understand to a point why they still get affected by it. I thought they'd be over it by now but I wasn't there and didn't have my head messed with.

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Mooshamoo · 09/10/2023 19:17

Was he in the actual final.

Was he on the spaceship?

SequinsandStiIettos · 11/10/2023 00:51

Unfair to speculate on which finalist it was, but only three (excluding the actor) were "sent to Space" and spent five days in a spacecraft simulator.
They'll all be 43/44 years old now.

MALE 44 happy-go-lucky
In a job they could easily have gone back to.
Self-proclaimed desperate for the limelight.
Their reaction at the reveal: "We're just asses."
During:
“I kinda feel like it’s not real.” “Like something’s fake.”
After:
"Ahh, that’s embarrassing.”

Seemed more gutted at the actor Charlie's betrayal imho.

FEMALE 43 friendly outgoing
Passionate about Space travel
Their reaction at the reveal: "Oh my God. How heart breaking."
During:
"I did really believe that we were going to go into space. But when we took off, I did get suspicious." "This is a set-up."
After:
"When I thought we were coming back to Earth I was planning my speech. I was going to say it had been my childhood dream. Now I'm a little bit broken hearted."
A couple of weeks later:
"People ask me if I'm embarrassed by what happened, but I'm really not,"
"I can laugh at myself and don't like to take things too seriously.
"When they told us that we hadn't really gone into space I was gutted. I was so disappointed - but I'm over that now."

Seemed hurt but did sell a "romance" story to the local paper* or at the very least was quoted for it.

MALE 43
Their reaction at the reveal: “I feel stupid as hell."
"It was real, wasn't it - what we were thinking and feeling?"
After:
"My mum and dad are gonna love this.
"This is the biggest wind-up ever. This is wicked."

The actor Charlie thought this guy had been on the biggest voyage of self-discovery.

All three were young and attractive. I'd have expected them all to be settled down with kids by now tbh.
*The latter two above had a date after the show ended.

I can imagine, looking back at the footage, that all three might have been adversely affected in feeling humiliated/cheated/let down.
All three, however, are quoted as either sussing it at least once during filming or being okay with it afterwards.
Cruel or not, you'd think nearly two decades later, they'd be at peace with it unless they had pinned their hopes on it being life changing in terms of fame/money/future employment.

OP
Not interested in which of the three your relative is, but do tell them over two decades later, they still come across as decent and good humoured (although their naivete and vulnerability, both then and now, led to a desperate Johnny Vaughan trying to smooth things over and keep things buoyant in the painful post-reveal interview).

I do have four questions though:
Did they blow their winnings or did they manage to make any investment?
How did they find the actual trip on the "vomit comet"?
Are they in touch still with any of the others?
How do they think their life would have turned out, had they not appeared on it?

Aside from the review of it in 2021, I am amazed they never had any kind of reunion or their actual trip televised in all that time.
Also, not sure if it offers any consolation or not, apart from one of the original nine who agreed to soundbites for the Guardian two years ago - two of the finalists have no google presence. Their 5 minutes of fame, painful though it might have been, was just that. The third only pops up in a plea for votes to win a space shuttle competition. They'd have got my vote, had I known but as it turns out, all 21 global winners of that contest run by Axe in 2013 never got to go to space either!

SequinsandStiIettos · 11/10/2023 01:17

Legal action would have been tort of deceit and negligence btw, similar litigation had occurred for TSAM.
At least two of the nine (and one of the final three) had had some acting credits allegedly, which makes it even more curious as a show (I cannot abide "constructed reality" but at least they don't hide that anymore...back in the day, a number of contestants on reality tv/gameshows will have been extras/hustling. Production interested in £ not morals. I used to believe everything I saw on the screen - didn't even realise that ad libs/panel shows were all orchestrated/scripted).

TackyTimes · 11/10/2023 01:39

Have they been diagnosed with ptsd etc?

A new diagnosis from a past incident resets the clock so they could sue. (think asbestos and occupational cancers)
Might be worth a call to a legal consultant, but for sure they need counselling.
Speaking to the production company isn't a bad shout to try to access help.

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