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We've been caught fly-tipping. Now what?

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NameChangeSake797 · 01/06/2023 16:03

The council field behind our house hasn't been farmed for at least seven years as it's got planning permission for houses. Houses aren't due to be built for a couple of years at least (it's all been very underhanded and our small village will double in size).

Anyho, we've been doing a fair amount of gardening recently with us trying to make our garden more child friendly. We've been putting grass cuttings/general garden waste just over our boundary into the field. We've also had a couple of trees cut down/brambles cleared and we decided to 'distribute' the brambles/branches over the field to stop the brambles growing back (there's already loads of brambles growing in the overgrown field) and for the branches not to stop us from being able to access the field (quite often walk the dogs out that way etc).

We know it's technically classed as fly-tipping, we've never littered in our whole lives and generally believe us to be law abiding citizens. We thought of it being bit of a victimless crime as by the time houses come to be built it will just be compost. It's also snowballed into a false sense of security from throwing over the grass clippings for the last couple of years to dragging out a dead bush.

However one neighbour decided to film/photograph us distributing the garden waste across the field. We can only presume this is because she's going to report us to the council for fly tipping.

Can we just bring all the garden waste back into our garden therefore there's no actual 'evidence' or call the council/speak to the neighbour to apologise profusely? This happened at the weekend and we're actually scared shitless of what's going to happen. Neither of us have ever dealt with the police and the possibility of getting a criminal record/going to court/large fine is causing us sleepless nights.

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OfDragonsDeep · 01/06/2023 17:32

I can’t believe this is something anyone would get upset about.

Moveoverdarlin · 01/06/2023 17:35

Fly-tipping is a real problem in our area and there have been cases recently where people have been heavily fined. One recent one was £2k and I’m sure another was £8k. However they were dumping fridges, mattresses, building rubble. I really don’t think any council will get worked up about grass cuttings, but I would definitely not dump anymore brambles, tree stumps. Do you not have a garden waste subscription in your area? We pay £30 for a big green bin which gets collected twice monthly.

Bemyclementine · 01/06/2023 17:36

Is the border to the field/garden brambles? If so I would start tidying that area, and alongside the path and chucking the brambles back on the field. You can then claim you were keeping those areas clear. The footpath to our primary school is often overgrown with nettles - it's a proper roadside footpath, but a ditch along side. The nettles griw through resulting in kids walking on the road. I often take my snipppers to tidy it up and chuck the nettles back across the Ditch

ActDottie · 01/06/2023 17:37

I don’t know why you did it? Just go to the tip

WonderingWanda · 01/06/2023 17:37

Where we live it costs to have your garden waste removed so I'd be a bit peeved if I was your neighnour too. Although I might show it by tipping my grass cuttings into your garden to prove a point that you are in the wrong.

Blondey2023 · 01/06/2023 17:38

Why should we all have to drive our garden waste to the tip, but you think you shouldn't have to? Sorry but you are in the wrong and need to accept the consequences.

maximist · 01/06/2023 17:42

I've reported neighbours dumping all sorts of non-compostable shit behind their houses (eg microwaves, garden furniture) and no one's ever done anything about it. I can't imagine anyone being interested in a bit of garden rubbish that will rot down soon enough.

Bemyclementine · 01/06/2023 17:43

Also I work for a local authority, I can't imagine any one has the time to deal with this.

OliveHenry · 01/06/2023 17:44

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LonginesPrime · 01/06/2023 17:46

Why can't you just go and clear it up and take it to the tip?

Surely now you're in this position, that's the most sensible course of action?

Was it your plan to use this as an actual protest to raise awareness about the unfairness of the planning meeting?

It seems like a very strange and roundabout way to object to a planning meeting when there are proper channels within the council's planning department to make a complaint - the team that deals with fly tipping won't be passing this kind of bramble-based communication on to the planning team, so I'm not sure this is a particularly effective method of protest.

Brackenfield · 01/06/2023 17:49

And people wonder why the country is in such a mess. I survey for my job and it always really annoys me seeing where non native and ornamental plants have spread into habitats from people doing exactly this, dumping their garden waste.

NameChangeSake797 · 01/06/2023 17:59

LonginesPrime · 01/06/2023 17:46

Why can't you just go and clear it up and take it to the tip?

Surely now you're in this position, that's the most sensible course of action?

Was it your plan to use this as an actual protest to raise awareness about the unfairness of the planning meeting?

It seems like a very strange and roundabout way to object to a planning meeting when there are proper channels within the council's planning department to make a complaint - the team that deals with fly tipping won't be passing this kind of bramble-based communication on to the planning team, so I'm not sure this is a particularly effective method of protest.

Honestly it's not an act of protest just that I thought it was harmless really. We're also not the only ones - there's a xmas tree out there that doesn't belong to us. TBH some twat has dumped actual garden furniture and an old BBQ out there too.

Harmless in the fact of, say in a couple of years a couple of the branches haven't turned into 100% compost the housing developers will just have to dispose of them (which will be what, 0.00001%) with the rest of the top soil/hedge row. The brambles and other garden waste will be compost in just a couple of months.

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Peonyfun · 01/06/2023 18:04

NameChangeSake797 · 01/06/2023 17:59

Honestly it's not an act of protest just that I thought it was harmless really. We're also not the only ones - there's a xmas tree out there that doesn't belong to us. TBH some twat has dumped actual garden furniture and an old BBQ out there too.

Harmless in the fact of, say in a couple of years a couple of the branches haven't turned into 100% compost the housing developers will just have to dispose of them (which will be what, 0.00001%) with the rest of the top soil/hedge row. The brambles and other garden waste will be compost in just a couple of months.

The brambles wind decay in two months give over, but I’d be very worried as if other folks have been doing it. You might get done for the lot.

Peonyfun · 01/06/2023 18:06

Do none of you care about your environment though? Turning the field into a dump, when it’s at least a couple of years before the developers will be in there?

InSpainTheRain · 01/06/2023 18:07

Obviously you shouldn't have done it - but I'd leave it there. If they want to come round and see you about it then let them. If they turn up ask them if you can burn it in your garden instead? Personally I always go the recycling centre (so cathartic!) but I'd love to have a bonfire if someone did that to me.

Missingmyusername · 01/06/2023 18:08

We did this. Council bloke told us we could. It was a tree we thought belonged in the wood we back in to but was actually ours, we took it down to erect a deck. I asked could we just leave it on the wood where it fell and he said “well, I won’t be reporting you”.

yorkshireteaparty · 01/06/2023 18:14

We did this.. put dig up grass on top of unkept council wasteland grass... and the police pulled up. 🤦🏼‍♀️ They just told us to get rid of it otherwise they'd fine us.

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TimesRwo · 01/06/2023 18:17

NameChangeSake797 · 01/06/2023 17:59

Honestly it's not an act of protest just that I thought it was harmless really. We're also not the only ones - there's a xmas tree out there that doesn't belong to us. TBH some twat has dumped actual garden furniture and an old BBQ out there too.

Harmless in the fact of, say in a couple of years a couple of the branches haven't turned into 100% compost the housing developers will just have to dispose of them (which will be what, 0.00001%) with the rest of the top soil/hedge row. The brambles and other garden waste will be compost in just a couple of months.

I thought you did it because you were annoyed at the council. Isn’t that a one (wo)man protest…?

BasiliskStare · 01/06/2023 18:21

Honestly I would go and collect your brambles etc and take to the appropriate tip.

I don't think you are in the same category as barbecue dumpers etc but the more you use that as a dumping ground the more it encourages other people to. I would be cross as a neighbour if I saw you doing it.

The planning permission is a wholly separate thing. & I do think if you are happy for you to leave your stuff for the builders at some undetermined time to pick up - well good luck for talking to them when you may need to. I get your point about the houses , I do , but I don't think shovng your garden waste over the wall is a great way to behave . I would go and pick it up and then if anyone comments it was "temporary " & you have cleared it up. I doubt you will hear a peep from the council or anyone else if this is what you do.

Random789 · 01/06/2023 18:22

By being excessively fearful of some sort of punitive consequence it almost feels like you are striving to see yourselves as the 'victim' of your neighbour's officiousness, as an alternative to simply viewing yourselves as responsible for some low-level wrong-doing.
You don't even know the neighbour has reported you. And even if she has, it seems unlikely that the consequence would be anything more than a visit and an instruction to take back any waste that is identifiably yours.

You've done the slightly bad thing. Just own it.

IWantToVote · 01/06/2023 18:22

Oh dear, it's not crime of the century but I'd be so embarrassed if I'd been caught like that. 😅😅. OP, you do sound like you are trying to justify it. It makes you sound worse tbh. Suggesting that other people are worse because they burn their waste or dump worse things is a bit childish sounding. You dumped some garden waste. It is what it is....

I think fly tipping garden waste can be a problem as it can encourage rats but also because it can encourage other people to dump things.

I'd clear it up and not worry about it.

I pay for three garden waste bins, it's not that expensive and saves a lot of trips to the tip.

Simonjt · 01/06/2023 18:40

cptartapp · 01/06/2023 16:59

We have fields to four sides. We regularly throw grass cuttings into it when our bin is full. It's grazing land but empty atm.

It’s probably empty because animals kept getting sick from eating grass cuttings.

caringcarer · 01/06/2023 18:40

Just either gather it all up and go to the tip or pay a garden company to come and remove it all for you. Just don't do it again. We pay about £40 a year for a green bin and put grass cuttings and cut down branches in there and it's emptied one every 2 weeks. I let my neighbour put her clippings on if it's not full.

EffYouSeeKaye · 01/06/2023 18:40

Oh bless you, OP. I saw the thread title and came here to berate you, because we are farmers and are sick of neighbours pitching their garden waste into our (cropped) fields. However, I can completely see how this has happened and I don’t really like the sound of your neighbour.

In our own cases of fly tipping we have offered to remove it ourselves, for a reasonable fee, or have the neighbour remove it themselves. We have never, as yet, reported it.

Clean up as best you can and then forgive yourself, would be my advice.