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why was Tony Benn never Prime Minister/Party Leader?

48 replies

deaconblue · 03/06/2009 19:39

he seems to me to be the only politician who makes any sense or shows any integrity

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spokette · 04/06/2009 20:12

Seriously, I agree with Artichokes.

Kathyis6incheshigh · 05/06/2009 08:40

I don't think that removing the references to his school and university counts as hypocrisy - maybe he just thought he learnt more important things from Life than from Westminster and Oxford.

Tortington · 05/06/2009 08:47

if we only waited for working class people to chamion the working class cause in politics - we would wait forever.

love this guy.

Bucharest · 05/06/2009 08:53

I love him too.
He can't help having been born rich.
Custardo is right, when the so-called champions of the working classes get into power it goes to their head and they buy too many handbags and freeload too many nice hollybobs.

Tortington · 05/06/2009 08:55

not what i meant - i meant its not very often that they do.

Tortington · 05/06/2009 08:58

the people who have power are usually middle class or toffs. its the way things work - you have money you send your kids to the right school/university / they get certain powerful jobs. whether thats in politics or business - its how things work

so to have one of these people actually have some bloody sense is a change

spongebrainmaternitypants · 05/06/2009 09:44

someguy, it was hardly his fault he was born with a title was it?!

I worked for Tony Benn for a year when I was at university - he was (and is) an amazing man, principled, intelligent and a fantastic orator. Far too left wing for the UK, but he will always remain one of my all time political heroes.

(He phoned me personally when I was in university halls, which impressed my students friends no end!! )

Jux · 05/06/2009 12:46

You can only judge a person by their actions when they are adults. I doubt his mama and papa asked him if he wanted to go to Westminster; none of the people I know who went there were given a choice.

As an adult he was not concerned with 'cool' as it didn't really exist as a concept in those days.

As an adult he chose to renounce his title - something which was far more meaningful then than it is now.

He does have principles and he lives by them. He has always upset people because he does stick to principle, and is intelligent enough to recognise when an action which appears fairly harmless actually violates a principle, and he is intelligent enough to smash arguments which go against principle.

Therefore he is not popular with people who are a) not left wing enough, b) not intelligent enough to understand the importance and application of principle, and c) not principled enough.

These days, he gives some people the impression that he is bonkers, but he is speaking from a depth of understanding and a depth of experience which is quite foreign to a lot of people. My dh, for instance, thinks he's barmy.

The time was never right for him to become PM, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never really wanted the job anyway. I, for one, would have loved it if he had been PM.

Pan · 05/06/2009 12:56

same reason as to why Brian Clough was never England football manager. Both were FAR too good at their jobs and would 'challenge' too many things for the good.

Anyone on the this thread who calls him sanctimonious/hypocritical etc are talking out of their ill-informed arses.

Mintyy · 05/06/2009 12:57

I don't think SomeGuy has quite understood the meaning of the word hypocrite.

I understand him to be just about as principled a polictician as it is possible to get. But not everyone's cup of tea.

Pan · 05/06/2009 12:59

he was reading on the radio from his biography - the part where he describes being at his wife's bedside when she passed away, and how much the world would be a poorer place without her, and it was moving and tearful in the extreme.

Tinker · 05/06/2009 13:01

Love him. Agree with Jux's post

GetOrfMoiLand · 05/06/2009 13:04

I think to call him hypocrytical is way off the mark. He has always had a great deal of integrity and vision, and was absolutely furious by all accounts that he was to inherit the title (originally his elder brother, who died in the war, would have inherited). I think to say he is a rich toff meddling in left wing trendy politics is completely absured.

However he was always far to the left and a maverick, and very narrow in what his views were. I think the general consensus was that he would have been an unholy terror if in charge of the party when they were in government in the 60s.

giantkatestacks · 05/06/2009 13:05

I stood next to him and his wife outside South Africa house on the morning Mandela was released and they were very kind to me asking if I was shivering if I was cold or if it was exitement. It was a bit of both...

GetOrfMoiLand · 05/06/2009 13:09

I have a lot of time for him. His diaries are incredibly moving on a personal level, and are also fiendishly detailed regarding day-to-day political life. I think his archive of papers will be of enormous value in generations to come.

he has also written a memoir, called Dare to be a Daniel, which explains a lot about his upbringing.

He comes across as completely fascinating imho.

giantkatestacks · 05/06/2009 13:11

ahem excitement

donnie · 05/06/2009 13:18

I also love him. Who can you name in New Labour with a mere fraction of his integrity or passion?

In answer to OP - he is too left.

Also like Hilary and Melissa ain't a bad writer.

donnie · 05/06/2009 13:26

btw Someguy - what precisely do you mean by 'another rich boy playing at politics'? I would like to know in what sense you think he has 'played' as opposed to 'seriously engaged' in politics? do you think he addressed the recent anti IDF rallies as a bit of fun or because he actually believes in what he said?

MollieO · 05/06/2009 13:31

Very left wing in his heyday and seemed to enjoy deliberate point scoring for no obvious party benefit. He has mellowed a lot with age imo.

HerBeatitudeLittleBella · 05/06/2009 14:00

I'm not sure he's particularly mellowed tbh, I think the meejah have mellowed in the way they report him 1. because he is now an ole gimmer and that gives you a certain amount of immunity from the vicious character assassination the meejah bestows on younger people and 2. because he is no longer a serious contender for power and his ideas are no longer a serious mainstream strand of politics and therefore are harmless and quaint rather than the next big threat IYSWIM.

badgermonkey · 05/06/2009 20:42

He's speaking on Sky News now and he's absolutely brilliant - pointing out that this whole Cabinet business is just about personalities, and obfuscates the real issue, which is that nobody has any real alternative when it comes to policies and the policies that Labour do have are out of touch with what voters want. And he said "face it, Blair was a Tory"

God I WISH we had a proper left-wing party to vote for. It frustrates me every time.

badgermonkey · 05/06/2009 20:44

Brilliant. He just told off the guy from Demos for talking about public spending cuts ("You're Cameron! Go and join the Tory party!"), said "we're about the redistribution of wealth" and lambasted spending on nuclear weapons. I'd vote for him tomorrow.

Salme101 · 05/06/2009 22:56

Oh, so would I. Totally agree with Custardo and Jux. He is fantastic.

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