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Padel steps down from Oxford Chair of Poetry

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Penthesileia · 26/05/2009 11:40

I know it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things (the horrible and unjust trial of Aung San Suu Kyi being immeasurably more distressing, for instance) but does anyone else find this story just terribly depressing and disappointing?

I was so pleased when Carol Ann Duffy was named Poet Laureate (although I am not a particular fan of her poetry), and thought this election another important step.

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claricebeansmum · 26/05/2009 12:50

I agree.

Very disappointing that poets are going the same way as MPs....

MyEye · 26/05/2009 13:04

why do we expect poets to be any better than the rest of us?

Keats and Coleridge took opium; Larkin had some very dodgy views about women -- but these things don't cloud my enjoyment of their writing

(I've no idea what RP's poetry is like but love CAD's)

claricebeansmum · 26/05/2009 13:06

I don't mind the drugs and all the rest of it. I can even forgive Thomas, Hughes et al but this wasn't from the heart - this feels like it was just malicious scheming

Penthesileia · 26/05/2009 13:13

I didn't mean to imply that I expect poets to behave differently to or better than the rest of us.

It's simply disappointing that after a long wait for a female Chair of Poetry for so long (300 years, I believe), she should go and do something either silly or malicious which means that it wasn't a "clean fight" between her and Derek Walcott.

If the allegations made about him were correct, it was up to the academics who voted to take them into account (or not; as you say, it's not as if good poetry and dubious morality are incompatible .)

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lionheart · 26/05/2009 13:15

So who will get it instead?

ipanemagirl · 26/05/2009 13:32

But these harrassment allegations are not all untrue. He acknowledged that he asked a student at Harvard to sleep with him rather than discuss poetry.
Why is it ok for him to behave like this and not a less talented individual? Why is this behaviour so indulged by academia? Is it because loads of academics see it as a professonal perk?
I think she was wrong in what she did but his harrasment record is more than allegation, he settled out of court I think over one of them.

Penthesileia · 26/05/2009 13:41

I wouldn't want to condone any misbehaviour on Walcott's part. Absolutely not. And the fact that he withdrew might imply that he didn't want to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

I think that this kind of behaviour regrettably has been indulged in the past, but is increasingly frowned upon. Academia can obviously still be a closed shop, though, I agree.

However, to run a smear campaign, or (at best) to be perceived to do so (as I said, she was either silly or malicious), implies that she felt a "fair" contest was impossible.

And that's clearly not the case: the Chair is not just about the quality of the poet's verse, but about other aspects the holder brings to the role. She might have been able to win it fair and square. That's what I mean about disappointing, I suppose.

As I said, one would've hoped that the academics voting on the post would've taken these things (the allegations against Walcott, etc.) into account (though, granted, they might've overlooked his behaviour - we'll never know).

To say that, "Well, Walcott was a lech, so it doesn't matter if she smeared him" isn't terribly edifying!

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dittany · 26/05/2009 19:06

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Nighbynight · 26/05/2009 19:14

Why did she have to get involved though?

dittany · 26/05/2009 19:53

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TsarChasm · 26/05/2009 20:08

It all reminds me of that book The History Man.

bedlambeast · 27/05/2009 09:43

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ipanemagirl · 27/05/2009 11:42

I still think that there are some voices on this who've implied that he is so talented that it's ok what he did. I think if he's that talented, great, but don't give him female students for him to practice his 'intense and personal' and 'passion' with. That defence is so risible I can't believe anyone ever made it.
If you're that talented, keep it in your pants.

WhiteFish · 27/05/2009 11:44

WHO REALLY gives a fuck, dh and I agreed last night. REALLY? to be on the national news?

SOme woman who writes words
in shapes
like this

and its on the national news

ipanemagirl · 27/05/2009 11:45

I do!

WhiteFish · 27/05/2009 11:46

But lets agree its niche

ipanemagirl · 27/05/2009 11:47

I'm just so disappointed by men who abuse positions of power. Why are they so immature sexually?

WhiteFish · 27/05/2009 11:47

power is sexy

QED

daftpunk · 27/05/2009 11:48

lol whitefish....and i bet she wasn't as good as pam ayres

WhiteFish · 27/05/2009 11:51

I bet she wasnt.
no rhymes or jokes or anything.

MIL has a mate who does Pam AYres routines. how we larf

ellingwoman · 27/05/2009 11:52

Some 'friend' that Olivia turned out to be. Did you see her gleefully explaining about having to exploit the opportunity the email gave her.

dittany · 27/05/2009 14:00

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fishie · 27/05/2009 14:16

did any of you hear Ruth Padel on PM a few weeks ago? she said that the anti-walcott campaign was a big shame and she felt that it was making it an unfair contest. (i paraphrase).

midnightexpress · 27/05/2009 14:25

I agree with you dittany, although she was rather cack-handed in the way she went about it.

Whitefish, I don't think it would have merited the national news were it not for the fact that it tells us quite a lot about the position of women (either as students or teachers) in academia. That he could have been seen as an acceptable candidate with his history, and that she should be reviled for pointing it out (though I do think anonymous letters are a bit crap, or else she's a bit dopey, which I doubt).

It's all a rather sorry tale, though can't say I'm terribly surprised.