Oh FFS, WTF is wrong with some people?

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And at no point did the solicitors refuse to take the case to the court in the 1st place The whole thing is hard to believe really

I can't believe he actaully tried to sue her, what an idiot.

*Actually

Oh. My. God.

Did he think he was filming Lord of the Rings or something?

And btw, bytheLiffey, I think he's Irish, and what a fine example of modern greedy Irish twunthood he is (I'm allowed to say that, I'm Irish too) and I'm pretty sure Mount Carmel is private, so HSE not involved.

what an unspeakable wanker. A twat of monumental proportions - just pity that poor child and what it will have to tolerate in years to come....

Just hope they never have to rush that child back to hospital, I would not treat it. Fu*kwits

FairladyRantALot, I must have come across as very anti-immigrants there, and I'm not. We have Irish travellers who know how to milk the system too.

That's nice bytheLiffey.

Spread the prejudice further.

fuckin hell bytheliffey fuckin hell

Calm down. It's not to do with race. It's to do with what has been available to you growing up.

In Ireland and in GB, there is a cultural stigma to receiving benefits, even when it's done legitimately. People who receive benefits are routinely lumped in with 'scroungers'.

I think that this 'stigma' would seem laughable to people who have experienced genuine deprivation, hunger and suffering. A stigma would seem a laughable 'endurance' when what you've come from is so bad that you're prepared to beg on the side of the road.

So typical that people leap down my throat. I am not prejudiced. We are all products of our environment. I wasn't judging people who've come from real poverty to see richer countries as a cash cow. SOME of them. SOME.

BTL. Please don't tell me, or others bothered by your remarks to "calm down". I am calm. What you said is rather inflammatory anyway.

I didn't accuse you of being racist. I just don't think it is helpful to single of cultural or ethnic groups as more likely to "milk the system". Two of my best friends are from the travelling community and are hardworking people who have suffered lot of prejudice due to their background.

Where I am from (a socially deprived region of GB) there isn't a cultural stigma in receiving benefits for many people actually..

It isn't accurate to paint a picture of people who are settled in static communities in GB and Eire as having different and superior values to those of travelling or immigrant backgrounds.

Your points seem mangled and contradictory. Can I suggest just steering clear of ethnic stereotyping if you don't want people to call you on what you say..

When I heard about this case my first thought was how has he no one to advise him not to be such an idiot.
What did his partner think, or his parents, friends, workmates, etc. Surely someone laughed at him when he told them he was taking this case.

Also; anyone who has had a child for First Holy Communion or Confirmation, will know how the school, and Priest will ask for no photographs, or video cameras during the cermony.
Yet every year there will be some idiot who feels that getting a shot of their little darling receiving their first Communion or being Confirmed by the Bishop, is essential, and of course block everyone's view in their quest for the best shot.
What's the odds on this father being one of these types.

Oh for fxs sake. What is YOUR point??

I am a person who has a lot of compassion and ALWAYS looks behind why people (of ANY nationality) do what they do, and sees it from their perspective. I am not judging people. I routinely put myself in other peoples shoes whenever I read about things.

It is a fact that people when they are not in their own environment feel less constrained by values they might feel bound to adhere to more closely at home. This is not a nationality issue. This is human nature and not a race issue, or a class issue. People who are wealthy sometimes have the luxury of higher morals and ethics though.

Can I suggest you take your sanctimonious head out of your arse, and if you want to have an argument with somebody, have it with somebody who actually disagrees with you?

You're definitely challenging the wrong person if you think you can make me less prejudiced or whatever fucking mistaken notion you have leapt to about me.

tsk

potoftea, Simon Mills is a friend of a friend. I will ask the friend when I see him next week. I was planning to anyway!

Sorry if I misunderstod you BTL. My point was that your remarks about the family being lithuanian and "in it together and laughing at how easy it is to extract money from fools in this part of the World" (I think it is the Mum who is Lithuanian and Dad Irish), followed up with "We have Irish travellers who know how to milk the system too" read to me as if you were promoting negative stereotyped expectations of certain cultural groups. When you are part of a maligned minority group (I don't know if this applies to you or not) negative stereotyping can be very irritating.

But clearly I was mistaken and we can all go back to being nice to each other and the world. Apologies.

You did misunderstand me, but it's ok. I've probably leapt to judge people off the back of one comment on mumsnet occassionally.

The typed word is a bit 'flat' and all that.

Sometimes people (on mn and in real life) take everything back to race or nationality. As though this were the ONLY relevant social issue. What's relevant is that some countries have a 'richer' perception of poor. Ours is probably quite a privileged perception of 'poor'. I think that we are all cut from the same cloth and that it is circumstances which make us act in a predictable way. The wealthy and educated have the luxury of higher ethics imo. They have more choices. More money. Face fewer knock-backs. It is easier for them to sit in judgement.

It would be disingenuous to believe that the sw system and the system in general is not abused, but most people who have another choice don't do this. And even if they do do it, I don't condemn them out of hand.

Not that this is relevant, but I have faced prejudice in Ireland and in England.

Funnily enough I don't think our views seem very different.

Well it is nice to sort it out because usually here if an argument kicks off that's it!

phew! I feel better now. Thanks for not righting me off.

liffey...oh, I hadn't really thought anything about what you said...was far to pished to judge anything, lol...was just sort of saying about the facts in this case (well, facts as reported in that article, I should say grin])

What a fucking fuckwit and I fucking hope that's really painful sunburn....twunt

Complete utter total wanker.