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Having your baby facing away from you in their buggy is not the done thing,

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wrinklytum · 21/11/2008 21:22

So says research from Dundee University.Apparently they are much better off in a buggy that faces the parent.

Sighs at self.Yet another parenting issue I have failed on.

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GreenMonkies · 23/11/2008 11:02

I am not a maker of rear facing biggies, but to me it is common sense to have your baby facing you. My sister is a special needs teacher who's speciality is language and behaviour, and she has been saying this for years. Forward facing babies are not connecting with thier mum (or who ever is pushing the buggy), it's not rocket science.

Some babies spend hours in thier buggies, even sleeping in them in the house. In deprived urban type areas where people don't have cars and rely on walking or public transport you see babies being pushed around loads, all forward facing, often with a dummy (or propped bottle) in mouth, mother on phone or talking to friend and ignoring the child completely. Its detached parenting at it's most extreme, and it's going on everywhere, I see it every week in our baby clinics, baby in bucket (carseat) or puschair being jiggled by parental foot whilst parent reads magazine or talks to the person with them. The only time some of them actually intereact with thier babies is to put the dummy back in when baby spits it out! I want to go up and suggest they hold the baby on thier lap instead but I know I would be wasting my time.

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2008 11:22

Exactly, GreenMonkies. The people you are talking about aren't interacting with their children anyway and it would make bugger all difference what way the pushchair faced.

GreenMonkies · 23/11/2008 11:45

Do you reallly think so? I think they might interact, even just a little, if pushchairs etc were rear facing, its hard to ignore them when they are looking at you, but easy if they are not even within your line of sight. Look how many of these are forward facing and say suitable from birth? If we stopped saying this and said for example suitable from 12 months say, then it may help to change this lack of interaction.

noonki · 23/11/2008 11:58

I think that the research is probably right, yet unfortuantley most people can't afford the forward facing ones.

Also, my kids are only 19 months apart - does that mean they both should have been facing me - how would that work?

TheButterflyEffect · 23/11/2008 12:05

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aidansyummymummy · 23/11/2008 12:07

I had a comment from a granny once in the post office when my DS was about 6mths. She said you do realise that its better for your son to see you dont you? I said pardon and she went on to say its not good for them to be facing away from you..he needs to see hes mother when hes out and about.

...so I said yes but do you know how many forward facing ones are on the market? hardly any and the ones that are cost in the region of £300 like my friends out there (loola) so I would rather my son had this buggy then a mother who had no money. Besides he gets bored of my ugly face!

And i then walked out to meet my friends furious....needless to say the dragon didnt stop to cue the group of babies.

rustlybrownleaves · 23/11/2008 12:23

Blimey, talk about shooting the messenger!

From what I've read one of the key points these researchers have made (and that the National Literacy Trust, or whatever it's called, have been making for years) is that there ought to be more affordable rear-facing pushchairs, like there used to be. So saying their research is pointless because rear-facing pushchairs are expensive makes no sense - the point that they're expensive is known to the researchers, that's something they think should be changed.

I don't understand why people are so cross about the research being done. Sure the effect may be small, but wouldn't you rather know about it than not? Even if all it does is highlight the issues of communication and reassurance, surely that's a good thing! Parents who know about this and have babies in forward-facing pushchairs (I've had mine both ways, personally) now just have an extra reason to make the effort to keep talking to them, crouching down to remind them they're there and so on, and also to e.g. turn the buggy away or stop and crouch down if there's a particularly noisy group of people or dogs coming up ahead. Without research like this we might think none of those things really made much difference and not do them quite as much (even if we still did them sometimes) - now we know they can make a difference even if it's small, surely that's a useful thing to know? Why shoot the messenger?

This is like breastfeeding issue isn't it? Sod the parents coming after us, or parents who still have this decision to make, and their right to accurate information - the important thing is not to say anything that might make us existing parents uncomfortable in the slightest about things we've done and can't now change, however innocently and well-meaningly we did them at the time.

misdee · 23/11/2008 12:27

the thing is, you dont need to buy a new buggy to get rearfacing.to me its important, and knowing that i didnt want to leave my 'pricey' buggy outside clinics etc, i found a second hand, in good condition loola for £95. thats cheaper than a new techno XT and most other 'from birth strollers'. i also sourced a cheap carrycot for it secondhand.

i do have a stroller as well (yes am a pramaholic) but this is dd3 for long days out and she just hops in and out of it whilst dh pushes it. its also handy for putting bags in lol. its an import from america and state suitable from birth, but IMO it isnt as doesnt lie back enough. will be in use for holidays etc only once dd4 is big enough for it.

GM have seen that happen loads of times at clinics etc as well. i dont carry the car seat out of the car (those things are heavey!!), so my babies usually sit on my lap at clinics.

GreenMonkies · 23/11/2008 12:37

car sears weigh a tonne!! I always think the clue is in the title, carseat, it's for using in the car, not for all the time!!!

MrsWeasley · 23/11/2008 12:41

Some of mine were in front facing some in rear facing I talked to them all the same, hey I even talked to them when they were asleep. (and I knew they were asleep!)

I can even recall several times when I talked to them and they weren't even in the buggy at all

Saturn74 · 23/11/2008 12:53

I had a rear facing buggy for my two over ten years ago.
I seem to remember there was lots of research done then too.
Dundee University should have done their research into other research before carrying out their research.

Common sense suggests that the key is chatting to your child, irrespective of whichever way they are facing.
Do I get a grant now?

fifitot · 23/11/2008 13:06

Rustybrownleaves - you are spot on. If there wasn't ever any research we'd never know anything or progress! Lets all be luddites!

PootyApplewater · 23/11/2008 13:12

Yeah, we couldn't have worked this one out for ourselves, could we?

ChukkyPig · 23/11/2008 13:13

I think the interesting thing is that the fact the forward facing children slept less was interpreted as "they may be less stressed". Another interpretation could be that they are less bored. The conclusion is not the only explanation for the observation so is rather weak IMO.

I also agree with others who have said that the time spent in a buggy is pretty minor compared to other situations the children are in eg at home.

I am another person who wanted a buggy which changed from rear to forward facing but couldn't find anything suitable.

I don't think my child is emotionally stunted due to her pushchair. Although obviously am a very poor mother so unlikely to have good judgement on that one

Lockets · 23/11/2008 13:46

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misdee · 23/11/2008 13:57

ok off the top of my head, rear facing buggies which can be got cheaply on ebay

quinny buzz
bugaboo (yes really, i got mine in v v good condition for £300 UNDER RRP for one that was 7months old)
Loola
bebe confort trophey
mothercare my 3 (their new three wheel one? goes cheap on ebay)
Any mamas and papas pram system.
silvercross prams(look out for the black wayfarers, these are very good and v v cheap)

there are loads out there if willing to look and consider second hand to save money. dd4 doesnt have a new pram at all. both are second hand and are fine.

Upwind · 23/11/2008 14:01

£300 is not cheap to me

my budget is £100

It looks like I will just go ahead and get a forward facing buggy and carry my baby in a sling or carrier as much as possible

Upwind · 23/11/2008 14:03

I also live in a 3rd floor flat and need to carry the buggy up and down the stairs every day. I am not strong and have not found a single rear facing buggy for

Fillyjonk · 23/11/2008 14:13

all my three spent much of their early lives in a sling on my back

how does THAT work then?

God though...I can't imagine them talking any MORE...

TheButterflyEffect · 23/11/2008 14:18

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Upwind · 23/11/2008 14:40

"cheapest was my rear facing Hauck Infinity at £99"

Presumably second hand? And much too heavy to be carried up several flights of stairs every day.

solo · 23/11/2008 14:45

I refused to turn my Dc's away from me until over one year old, when I felt that they might like to look at what was ahead of them.
I loved playing with them, watching them and talking to them. Never understand why you'd not want to look at your baby really.

misdee · 23/11/2008 15:18

upwind, no infinity regulary appears brand new for £100 on ebay or kiddicare.com

i said my bugaboo was £300 UNDER RRP. not £300. it was £170.

GreenMonkies · 23/11/2008 15:34

Upwind, can't you leave your pram downstairs? Even if it means getting a cycle lock thing to stop it going walkies??