the killer of philip lawrence....staged release...daily mail is going to hound him...does he deserve the chance of rehabilitation here or should he

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.......have been deported

a terrible crime

his probation team believe he is a reformed character

he has served his sentence

daily mail picture story

If the law isn't hard enough (and I think it isn't by a long way) then you have to change the law and apply it to the next offender. I don't think anyone should do anything to him now since he served his sentence.

If we were going to change the law for next time I'm in favor of capital punishment (providing certain conditions are met) but I doubt I could find 10 people who agree with me.

I think that this can never be black and white.

It of course goes without saying that the Lawrence family will never get over what happened to Philip. But in this country we do not have a system of trial/punishment according to the victims. And we should never have a punishment system according to the wishes of the victims, and especially never according to the wishes of the daily mail.

He has served his time according to the british justice system, and it is not up to us, or the daily mail, or even the Lawrence family, to decide what should happen to him.

If he had been an adult when he committed this crime then perhaps I would feel differently (although I would still maintain that he has served his time and it is not our call to make). But he was 15. Legally he was not yet able to drive a car, or vote, or drink, or smoke, or even have sex. So if he was considered too young and immature to do all these things, then why is it that he should be considered mature enough to serve an adult sentence for the crime has committed?

wannaBe - my head tells me I agree with your post. My heart tells me that in this country things have just tipped too far towards the rights of the criminals. And I'm not talking in terms of the sick kind of slant that the Daily Mail puts on things. I genuinely feel that the perception in this country now is that we pay too much attention to the rights of those who have chosen to ignore other people's rights'.

Of course a crap upbringing will have impacted on his actions. We are all a product of our upbringing - and sadly some people have useless parents, a poor education and are more genetically predisposed towards losing their temper, lashing out etc. We all know that. It does NOT turn people into criminals though. There is such a thing as free will here. This boy chose to carry a knife, he chose to attack someone who was no threat to him, who was actually going out of their way to protect others.

The reality is that whatever steps are taken to rehabilitate, this man will probably live in fear for the rest of his days anyway.Which is probably the worst part of his punishment. The Daily Mail talks as though getting out of jail is the start of freedom - the reality is that the guy has probably had the best part of the rest of his life and the worst is yet to come.
And I can't sympathise with that - he brought it on himself.

No solid I am not a moron at all, I am also not some deluded tree hugger who thinks that if you kill someone you should get a fucking group hug and a pat on the back and all is well

I may be a lot of things, but I'm not an ignorant self righteous twat.

I don't think.

solidgoldbrass oh dear you can namechange but your posting style gives you away.

Good on you solidgoldbrass, you said what I was thinking and couldn't be bothered to say.

No point talking to a mob.

actually i think it has the makings of an interesting debate

I can't be arsed to debate with anyone who thinks children should be killed for crimes tbh. Those sentiments just repel me.

am with Nemo.......kimi, you really dont put a good case together at all Im afraid,

Solid, im agreeing with what you say.

This is very sad for all parties involved

But that was one person LB. No one else thinks that.

The deportation thing is a bit odd because as EU citizens we have the right to live anywhere we choose in the EU don't we? So I'm not that clear about how it would work.

I just am slightly uneasy about prioritising rights of murderers over the families of the murdered.

I think that 13 years is a long sentence these days. The murderer was only 15, and imo, would therefore have had less responsibility than an adult and so should be punished less severely, not more severely because we find the crime so shocking.

I don't think deporting him is the answer, because if he kills an Italian will we be relieved?

Very sad.
My friends Aunt was stabbed to death in her own home.The man served time in prison[approx 10 years]He wanted to meet my friends mum[sister]she refused. He was released,has a family,etc.The woman he murdered will never have that chance.My friends mum had to see the scene of utter carnage.I don't care how old the killer of Mr.Lawrence was.I know if it was my father,brother son who had been murdered I would find this extremely difficult.

Don't think he should be deported.

Kimi, he was 15, his father was violent and a killer. Never mind what country he was a product of, he was a product of his miserable hopeless upbringing. I've never killed anybody, but it was easy for me not to kill anybody. I had a happy family and a happy childhood. I don't know what sort of anger I'd have inside me if I'd had such a horrible childhood.

This does not mean that I feel anything less than complete sympathy and sadness for the Lawrences. Their loss was huge.

i believe in the potential of restorative justice

staying in this country maintaing relationships and making a contribution are all positive potential avenues

you cant change past but you can be given the chance to make a positive contribution

i guess the letter he wrote to the lawrences was a part of his rehabilitation

i hope one day he might be able to deliver it

Jeez, he's served his time, let him be. Of course he should have protection and a new identity especially by reading some of the responses on here.

the measure of a liberal and tolerant society is how it deals with crime,dysfuction.

as unpalatable as some find that

punitive lock em up hang em high is simplistic and reductionist approach

rehabilitation, affords the individual some propensity for change.reflection upon one's actions

i imagine Mr Lawrence a man who would have worked with marginalised damaged young people would not have believed in hang em high retribution

as far as I can remember Learco Chindamo was not brought up in Italy, he was brought up in England , which makes the deportation idea quite strange IMO.

Maybe he is truly repentant. My friend used to teach him when he was in year 8 of secondary school and said he was highly disturbed as well as very dangerous.His background is pretty awful at any rate - disfunctional I mean. Then again, what sentence for a life? ten years? twenty? more? or maybe all cases should be judged on their own merit.

Perhaps we should string him up with James Bulger's killers? . And where are they now - I recall similar articles from the Mail when they were due for release. I bet no-one on here could pick them out in the street if they fell over them.

I disgree with the HRA in that his rights have been prioritised over the Lawrence family rights but I don't see what deportation would achieve. It won't bring back Philip Lawrence. It's be more likely that the Italian government would refuse him entry as he has a criminal record and he would be sent back here - at whose expense? Ours for trying to pass the buck. I doubt if he'd find a welcome in many other countries either.

Don't get me wrong, I find him a repellent specimen but I think we're stuck with him. I only hope he turns his life around and is truly as rehabilitated as he claims to be .

Whater the rights or wrongs, thae DM, or any other paper for that matter, have any right to hound him.

I'm a naturalised citizen of this country and I think any criminal convicted of such a felony should be deported after serving their sentence.

Mary bell was 11yrs old when she was convicted of the manslaughter of four-year-old Martin Brown and three-year-old Brian Howe, in Newcastle in December 1968. she has gone on to lead a crine free life and have a daughter(also granted anonymity)

also Robert Thompson and Jon Venables have all been granted anonymity and protection of identity and whereabouts.

unfortunately mob justice hold dem glistening torches high and inflammatory news articles stir it up about them

if it were my child murdered yes i would be incandescent and inconsolable.but fortunately most of us never know that anguish. i will never agree with the hang 'em high mob

The deportation thing makes sense only if someone turns up here and commits crimes almost at once. I'd toss them out after their sentence. Someone who grew up here is British for better or worse