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Does anyone elase think this is in galloping bad taste?

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MorningTownRide · 11/09/2008 14:19

Here

What an odd thing to say.

Stick to talking about lipstick and dresses, love

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TheNaughtiestGirlIsaMonitor · 17/09/2008 10:35

Piffle, My Grandfather's cousin's family were executed and their farm house razed to the ground by the IRA. My Granddad escaped because he ran like the wind. They were protestant farmers. No wealthier than their neighbouring catholic farmers.

On the other side,,,,, my Great Grandfather was shot by the ira because he refused to give favours to the IRA. He was a grocer, wealthy enoguh, but just a business man, not the much hated 'landowner'.

These things aren't talked about in Ireland to this day. I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to post that on rollercoaster. Some Irish people to this day can not, or refuse to believe that civilian protestants were bullied, intimidated, and often, murdered.

I would be afraid even now to say what happened to my ancestors to the average catholic Irish person. They would think I'd got it wrong or that my ancestors somehow deserved what they got. But I also know that there's no point either side raking up the past. If 'denying' what happened to our great grandfathers is the price to pay for peace in Ireland so be it. But it makes me sad on a personal level.

Middle-class, educated people in NI mix very well.

Being sucked into a terrorist organisation or 'mindset' is only a real risk when you're borught up in a poor area which is either 100% one religion or the other. So, the two 'sides' now are wealthy enough thank you or too damn poor.

TheNaughtiestGirlIsaMonitor · 17/09/2008 10:36

that was in about 1915 btw.

evangelina · 17/09/2008 10:53

Sorry to hear that naughtiest. I agree about the middle class thing. As a Protestant, I went to an English Catholic private school with a 50/50 mix. When I visited NI as a teenager it was to a very middle class Catholic area, with moderate, civilised people who welcomed me with open arms. I had a boyfriend from West Belfast and I visited him there and actually went to Andersonstown during the Troubles (I can't believe how stupid I was looking back). This was a much more working class area and was the only time that I ever felt unsafe- my friends warned me to keep my voice down in a pub in case I upset anyone. But even among the Catholic community, there was an awful lot of fear and intimidation from the IRA such as knee cappings for anti social behaviour. Not to say the same sort of thing didn't happen with loyalist gangs.

TheNaughtiestGirlIsaMonitor · 17/09/2008 15:01

Yes, middle-class NI is just leafy suburbia! People all very civilised!

My friend once walked around a catholic area with a red white and blue bag. Her hosts looked at her bag and instantly thought "Arghghghghgh, get a new bag!". But she hadn't even thought it was a union jack. She was from the south of Ireland and just thoguht it was a blue, white and red bag!!

The thugs are all about menacing money and violence, no matter what tribe they belong to.

evangelina · 17/09/2008 17:19

You've just brought back a happy memory of me aged 15 in Donegal (most of the people were on holiday from NI), when I put on my England rugby top (white with a very big red rose) ready to go out. My schoolfriend sensibly banned me from wearing it. You just don't realise the symbolism of these things when you live outside the communities.

PoorOldEnid · 17/09/2008 17:24

americans LURVE the ira

because they are deeply stupid

Piffle · 17/09/2008 17:27

that's the same reason that McCain will get his aging mitts on the white house door handle.

TheNaughtiestGirlKeepsaSecret · 17/09/2008 21:00

McCain says that he's the candidate for the Irish, but here in Ireland, everybody is 'rooting' (sorry ossies) for Obama.

His mother comes from Co Offally! Just like Biffo brian cowen. And there the similarity ends.

I'd love to see him in the white house. Black guy from Ireland and his mother a single mother..... !

Where is Ireland's OBAMA though?!?!?! Sstand up so we can find you?!

TheNaughtiestGirlKeepsaSecret · 17/09/2008 21:01

Well abotu 25% from Irleand. MORE than McCain anyway as it turns out.

Piffle · 17/09/2008 21:51

yes I know obamas maternal gran is tending goats in Africa...
Tenuous Irish correction
But hell
Vote Obama
Whatever the weather!!!!!

Pan · 17/09/2008 21:59

and he does have a half-brother living in absolute poverty in Africa, who is not interested in cashing in on the refelected fame as half-brother to the potentially most powerful person in the world.

Vote McObama, if it helps!!

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