Killing the wives of Mugabe opposition

[JoshandJamie]

Why is this acceptable?

Why do we have loads of troops trying to help the Afghanistan and Iraqi people to help them live in a democratic, non violent society, yet we don't do the same in Zim? I just don't understand the double standards.

Here's the first three paragraphs:

The families of Zimbabwe's opposition leaders are being targeted for brutal execution in the latest twist to the brutal electoral violence gripping the country.

With Robert Mugabe seeking to stifle the challenge to his power before a presidential run-off vote on June 27 the most recent victim of the his supporters was the wife of the unofficial mayor of Harare.

Abigail Chitoro was so badly beaten by the mob that dragged her and her four-year-old son from their home that even her brother-in-law struggled to identify the body.

And George Bush was against military intervetion in Iraq. It was Tony Blair and Colin Powel that convinced him to go in. The media, when it comes to facts about Iraq, are a joke quite frankly.

Kimi - At the end of the fist gulf war the Americans or british did not have a UN mandate to enter Iraq - only to push them out of Kuwait.

Monkeytrouses there is no way that GWB was against intervention in Iraq - Blair and Powel pushed him to go to the UN and try and get a new UN resolution for going in - which as we know failed.

Gee, well if the papers said it it must be true.

What they sent you the memo's of their meetings then?

Monkeytrousers, you seem to apparently know a lot about this subject. So instead of being faecetious, why not tell us the facts.

I readily admit that I don't know all the ins and outs of why we went where or what prohibits us from going into somewhere else, but to me the situation in Zim is appalling. Mugabe should be tried for crimes against humanity. I don't know what the procedure is for doing that, funnily, but he's directly responsible for the deaths of 100s if not 1000s of people.

so please explain. How do these things work because I'm honestly not getting why the UN can't send troops in there to maintain some kind of peace while 'free and fair' elections are held.

Just read some books. I'm not on Mn to explain myself

So in other words you don't really know but have some strongly held opinions and like to discount what other people think without backing up your own arguments. Good one. Convincing.

A Matter of Principle: Humanitarian Arguments for War in Iraq with a chapter by Blair

What's Left?

The Henry Jackson Society

I knowby experince people don't read my reading lists though, so forgive me if I don't indulge any further

oh and Anti -Totalitarianism: The Left-wing Case for a Neoconservative Foreign Policy

I had a look at your links - they add nothing to the point you are arguing - you said that GWB was pushed into the Iraq war - none of those books would seem to suggest that - or are your is secret information still classified?

Are you American by any changes MT?

No, Im not.

How do you know what the books suggest without reading them? Some people will say anything to get out of homework.

What the hell is the point of linking to them then? just list the books - however I read the Amozon right up and it does not suggest that there is anything in there that really tony Blair is one of the main reasons we are at war. however I am willing to stand corrected if you could just reference a couple of the pages where this argument is presented. i am sure that all these books are sat currently on your book case. I have a large boarders near where I work - and I will dip into the books to confirm for myself that you are correct and not just blowing smoke and picked a couple of books from a list and have read them yourself.

Hell if they look really good I will even buy one - what one do you think best?

Well..What's Left is the easiest

But disregard everything he says about Chomsky. He had his facts wrong on that issue

Look mate I have my degree in Politics - i am sure I could cope - so whats the best? And I would like a couple of quotes from the book with page numbers - just to save time of course - I only get 45 mins so can't be expeted to fully research.

I can't even bare to leave the news on at the moment (when usually I watch the news everynight and read the BBC news website a couple of times a day) as it breaks my heart when I see the headlines about Zim. Not to mention

I was living in the country when "Black Friday" occurred (14th November '97), and witnessed the rapid decline from a country with great promise to what the lead up to the Presidential Elections in 2000 brought.

Truly awful. I recently (while packing up H's things) found a newspaper from early 2000 which H and I brought with us to the UK. The article on the front page was about the first White farmer to be murdered, it was so utterly shocking for people in Zimbabwe (and to us) that we brought it with us because it struck such a chord.

Little did we know that only a few months later farmers, and farm workers, and now of course opposition supporters too, being murdered would be lucky to make the newspapers at all - let alone be "front page" stuff.

I don't know if I'll ever be able to take the DC back to see the country - DS1 and DS2 went 2yrs ago, but DS3 has never been, and I just want to cry at what the country has become, and what it had the potential to become.

JoshandJamie - I haven't read the whole of your thread, but it also staggers me that the world is sitting back on its arse and letting this happen.

DH was born in Malawi, and his father is from Zim, and it is shocking the attitude of the world towards this, particularly that of the other african leaders (although I think something has moved on that this evening) especially Thabo Mbeki. . Just letting genocide happen on your doorstep.

and hell I nearly let this go - in A Matter of Principle: Humanitarian Arguments for War in Iraq - in the chapter by Blair - "if was all me you were all wrong I was not the poodle rather the puppet master???"

i think the only thing to hope is that the old bastard dies soon - what is he 85??

i think the only thing to hope is that the old bastard dies soon - what is he 85??

Also MT what do you suggest to look at on The Henry Jackson Society - any particular articles to highlight your earlier point?

well the world stepped back and said nothing about Gukurahundi in the 1980's in Zimbabwe too.

oil, money

84 Flashman.......more than twice the average life expectancy for everyone else.