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JohnTheRevelator · 05/11/2025 17:39

Bloody hell. You couldn't make it up. A fine example of 'Lessons will be learnt' meaning absolutely fuck all. As usual.

Bobiverse · 05/11/2025 17:40

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 17:38

Why are you ok with it?

No one is ok with it. But the faux shock is just silly. It happens all the time, under every government no matter who is in power. So using it as a whistle to get the racists going by the headline reporting and the mumsnet threads whenever it is an immigrant is just ridiculous and disingenuous.

kirinm · 05/11/2025 17:43

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 17:38

Why are you ok with it?

Did you not read where I said IT’S BIZARRE that it happens? Do you think that means I’m okay with it or do you think it means I think it’s bizarre that it’s able to happen?

I wonder.

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 17:45

Bobiverse · 05/11/2025 17:40

No one is ok with it. But the faux shock is just silly. It happens all the time, under every government no matter who is in power. So using it as a whistle to get the racists going by the headline reporting and the mumsnet threads whenever it is an immigrant is just ridiculous and disingenuous.

Why though? Surely it’s not that hard to guard against out of all the things we do.

Plus headlines aside someone who has only been in gov accommodation and has no money such as the last time really will have nowhere to go. It’s ridiculous for the safety of others but also what do they do? Try not to freeze at night.

But mostly, it’s not rocket science and ‘lessons will be learnt’ so do that.

OverlyFragrant · 05/11/2025 17:46

Swiftasthewind · 05/11/2025 14:22

Prison doesn’t work anyway so everybody should be released. The only way to solve crime is through education and community outreach, if people felt valued they wouldn’t do bad things.

Are you on crack?

EasternStandard · 05/11/2025 17:48

OverlyFragrant · 05/11/2025 17:46

Are you on crack?

Just for people’s blood pressure from other posts I think it’s parody which treads a fine line.

musicalfrog · 05/11/2025 23:20

GetOffTheRoof · 05/11/2025 16:02

280ish released in error in the last year, but over 50,000 releases were managed successfully.

Context is important. Errors will always be made by humans.

Would you say this about nurses giving accurate medication to patients? Or surgeons operating?

No I didn't think so.

Sometimes, you have to be 100% all the time.

280 in 50,000 is shocking!

GetOffTheRoof · 05/11/2025 23:49

musicalfrog · 05/11/2025 23:20

Would you say this about nurses giving accurate medication to patients? Or surgeons operating?

No I didn't think so.

Sometimes, you have to be 100% all the time.

280 in 50,000 is shocking!

And yet, in all those professions those exact errors are made.

For example: https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/provisional-never-events-2024-25-data-1-april-2024-31-october-2024/

NHS England » Provisional Never Events 2024/25 data: 1 April 2024 – 31 October 2024

NHS England » Provisional Never Events 2024/25 data: 1 April 2024 – 31 October 2024

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/provisional-never-events-2024-25-data-1-april-2024-31-october-2024

MushMonster · 06/11/2025 06:48

We are all humans, we all can make mistakes. But release from prison surely takes quite a bit of paperwork with several people checking it. Something has to be substantially wrong with yhe process to get it wrong that often.
I hope they are not using another Horizon type of software.

Bobiverse · 06/11/2025 07:25

musicalfrog · 05/11/2025 23:20

Would you say this about nurses giving accurate medication to patients? Or surgeons operating?

No I didn't think so.

Sometimes, you have to be 100% all the time.

280 in 50,000 is shocking!

The actual point is, why do people like OP only care when it’s an immigrant?

Why are the tories standing up in the commons and bettering labour for it being an immigrant? When it happens 200 times a year under their oversight.

Because it’s convenient. Because they know the country is heading down a dark, racist oath and this is a great way to stir up anger against labour which is all political parties care about; not fixing problems, just stirring up anger against their opposition. But the only people it will benefit is reform because the public is too stupid to actually look at the facts. This isn’t a migrant issue, this is an understaffed prison issue. So why are people like OP making it a migrant issue… the answer is racism. And right now it’s
the best weapon political parties have against the government even thought the exact same
thing happened when labour were not in office.

Be smarter. Don’t be a racist. Care about an issue because the entire issue matters, the accidental release of prisoners is a problem. Dinner care about an issue just because it had “immigrant” in the headline; that’s the only reason the OP started this thread. Racism.

CandidOP · 06/11/2025 11:47

Hansard says 800 prisoners were released in error under the last Conservative government. I don't recall any press coverage or outrage about it then.

Bobiverse · 06/11/2025 11:48

Bobiverse · 06/11/2025 07:25

The actual point is, why do people like OP only care when it’s an immigrant?

Why are the tories standing up in the commons and bettering labour for it being an immigrant? When it happens 200 times a year under their oversight.

Because it’s convenient. Because they know the country is heading down a dark, racist oath and this is a great way to stir up anger against labour which is all political parties care about; not fixing problems, just stirring up anger against their opposition. But the only people it will benefit is reform because the public is too stupid to actually look at the facts. This isn’t a migrant issue, this is an understaffed prison issue. So why are people like OP making it a migrant issue… the answer is racism. And right now it’s
the best weapon political parties have against the government even thought the exact same
thing happened when labour were not in office.

Be smarter. Don’t be a racist. Care about an issue because the entire issue matters, the accidental release of prisoners is a problem. Dinner care about an issue just because it had “immigrant” in the headline; that’s the only reason the OP started this thread. Racism.

Just looked at this thread again and there are so many typos! Sorry. I wrote it this morning without my glasses on 🤦‍♀️

prh47bridge · 06/11/2025 19:53

@Bobiverse - it didn't happen 200 times a year under the Conservatives. The figures are:

2011/12 - 42
2012/13 - 44
2013/14 - 50
2014/15 - 49
2015/16 - 64
2016/17 - 72
2017/18 - 66
2018/19 - 64
2019/20 - 50
2020/21 - 46
2021/22 - 54
2022/23 - 81
2023/24 - 115
2024/25 - 262

So the numbers were rising in the last couple of years of the Conservatives, but have shot up since, possibly related to the government's early release scheme. However, at no point under the Conservatives did it get anywhere near 200 a year.

Hiddenhouse · 06/11/2025 19:56

I just don’t understand how this level of mistake happens and is also surprisingly common - can anyone help with how it’s easy to just release the wrong person?

itsgettingweird · 06/11/2025 20:03

Porridgespoon · 05/11/2025 14:18

I think this happens a lot. It's just become news for some reason recently.

It does happen a lot.

Braverman tweeted that it happened before (and then deleted it realising she was HS at the time 🤦🏼‍♀️😂)

it does seem to be “news for some reason…..” territory.

Not good news though. But not new news iyswim?!

prh47bridge · 07/11/2025 00:03

Hiddenhouse · 06/11/2025 19:56

I just don’t understand how this level of mistake happens and is also surprisingly common - can anyone help with how it’s easy to just release the wrong person?

Poor technology (most government technology is poor) and poor communications between prisons, the courts and the Ministry of Justice is one factor. Much of the processing still uses pen and paper, with old fax machines used for communications.

There are also clerical errors such as the one we saw with one of the releases this week, where a prisoner received an immediate custodial sentence but it was entered on the system as a suspended sentence.

Prison staff are having to work out release dates by hand due to the failure of a computer system that was supposed to do the job. And calculating release dates has become more complicated. Until 2020, almost all offenders with fixed length sentences were released after serving half their sentence, serving the rest under probation. Now, some are released after 40% of their sentence, some after 50% and some after 66%.

Inexperienced staff are having to process large numbers of prisoners. More than half of prison officers have been in the job less than 5 years, with one quarter having less than 2 years experience. Go back to March 2010 and more than 75% had been in the job for 5 years or more.

Perhaps the biggest problem is that, for the last 25 years, successive governments of all colours have failed to build enough prison places to cope with demand. Our prisons are overcrowded. Wandsworth, which was the prison involved in the two most recently reported errors, has almost twice as many prisoners as it was designed to hold. One quarter of prisoners are in cells that don't meet fire safety standards (that's everywhere, not just Wandsworth). Violence in prisons has rocketed. Two thirds of prisoners spend 18 hours or more per day locked in their cells. Prisoners struggle to get toilet paper for their cells and may have to choose between a shower and a hot meal. And prisons are understaffed. All this puts pressure on staff and leads to an environment where mistakes become more likely.

Linenpickle · 09/11/2025 11:39

I heard one was release do go to a wedding and didn’t return… what a shocker and such a joke which is not funny …. This gov are a bunch of morons

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