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The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

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RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 27/06/2024 08:41

AmelieTaylor · 27/06/2024 07:30

@Hazeby

from what I read/saw the parents are not convinced it's the truth & it has been mentioned that it's down to her husband position.

Who is her husband?

Hazelville · 27/06/2024 08:41

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:46

@Janehasamane where did you read that? EEGs and MRIs don't necessarily pick up epilepsy and it can be very difficult to diagnose in the absence of multiple seizures.

Unless she's gone on to have another seizure, I've no idea how someone can say she had one.

Paramedics called to the scene? Witnesses? CCTV? I’ve seen the aftermath of a fit on several occasions and it is obvious and I don’t work in healthcare.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 08:41

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:48

CPS has to be confident they will win. Not necessarily just that they are right.

No, they don't. They need to assess normally that there is at least a 50% chance of winning.

lbwagain · 27/06/2024 08:44

@hazeby interesting, what is the husband's position?

On another note, re some other comments on this thread, my friend had her first seizure, completely out of the blue, when she was nearing 50! She passed out, no recollection of anything. After that she noticed that she had these episodes after she'd been out drinking heavily or if she was very, very tired. But you can most definitely have a sudden episode and 'pass out'. Very sad.

Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 08:48

Oh my, she has had brain scans. Which clearly show she’s had an epileptic fit.

Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 08:48

Why are people attacking her, this woman suffered a horrendous event.

RiverF · 27/06/2024 08:48

Prelapsarianhag · 27/06/2024 08:35

If she had not been driving a huge fuck off car those girls might have lived.

Interesting that the parents haven't criticised this aspect, perhaps because they drive similar vehicles?

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Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 08:50

RiverF · 27/06/2024 08:48

Interesting that the parents haven't criticised this aspect, perhaps because they drive similar vehicles?

Or because they know the result would likely have been the same irrelevant of vehicle

lbwagain · 27/06/2024 08:50

The driver clearly seemed to have had a seizure, from reports at the time with paramedics on the scene for her, and she will live with this tragic incident for the rest of her life. It's so sad for everyone involved.

HoldingTheDoor · 27/06/2024 08:51

I have had seizures before and lasted longer than 1 min. I remember how I felt, what I heard etc. Everyone’s experiences would vary, of course, but to say that she has no recollection at all is a very deliberate statement.

I have no trouble believing that she had no recollection. A relative developed epilepsy out of the blue and the tonic clinics were like a light being switched off for her every time. It’s normal. She had the occasional recollect ion/awareness of some of her complex partials and absence seizures but never the tonic clonics and she remained in a postictal state for quite some time afterwards.

Mirabai · 27/06/2024 08:51

CandiedPrincess · 27/06/2024 07:26

There's still something that doesn't sit right with this story. There has been endless delays for the family and it's taken, what a year, for them to now says she had a seizure. They would have known this a long time ago and been able to give the families some information. I've watched those parents, destroyed on TV just wanting answers and not being given any at all. This sounds fishy, I don't buy it at all.

It has been known informally in the area since it happened. It’s only now been formally confirmed after long investigation.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 08:52

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 08:21

This is a good point. Although again, I think this would have satisfied the families. Surely you’d prefer a death to be a tragic accident than someone’s fault so you’d want that. The fact they’re not happy is a massive red flag. I say that with experience of knowing two families who have lost a loved one due to someone’s fault and who have not been satisfied with the outcome.

I don't think it is a red flag. If your child has died because someone drove into them, you are naturally going to blame that person and want them punished. It's almost in our DNA. It will be incredibly difficult to accept on a visceral level that they have not done anything wrong, and in your heart of hearts you probably will be blaming them for things like their choice of vehicle and simply for the decision to go out of the house that day. The reality is that you will never be "happy" about any of it. It still doesn't make the driver guilty of any offence.

LittlePearDrop · 27/06/2024 08:53

I think it's natural that the parents are questioning the outcome. When awful tragedies happen, it's human nature to seek out explanations and it's extremely hard to accept that a simple, tragic accident is the reason.

I hope everyone involved is getting the support they need, including the driver, who, in reality, has been sentenced to a life time of misery and remorse.

I do think there is a need to look at 4x4s. No one needs one outside of rural living. I note that some posters have been quick to argue that the results would have been the same in a smaller car, but the reality is that various studies have shown time and time again that pedestrians are much more likely to experience catastrophic injuries when being hit by one of these vehicles. You can still fit two kids and luggage in a Mondeo type car, so there really is absolutely no need.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 27/06/2024 08:54

Hazeby · 27/06/2024 06:35

I had no idea that epilepsy could occur at any time in life! I thought it was something you were born with. Poor people.

It's fairly rare, but epilepsy can appear for the first time after a viral infection.

Post-covid onset of epilepsy is over 50% higher than eg post-flu, so I don't think it's surprising medically that there are occasional cases.

Just a horrible tragedy here that it happened whilst the person was driving a large, heavy car.

RiverF · 27/06/2024 08:55

LittlePearDrop · 27/06/2024 08:53

I think it's natural that the parents are questioning the outcome. When awful tragedies happen, it's human nature to seek out explanations and it's extremely hard to accept that a simple, tragic accident is the reason.

I hope everyone involved is getting the support they need, including the driver, who, in reality, has been sentenced to a life time of misery and remorse.

I do think there is a need to look at 4x4s. No one needs one outside of rural living. I note that some posters have been quick to argue that the results would have been the same in a smaller car, but the reality is that various studies have shown time and time again that pedestrians are much more likely to experience catastrophic injuries when being hit by one of these vehicles. You can still fit two kids and luggage in a Mondeo type car, so there really is absolutely no need.

Could a smaller, less powerful car have even breached the fence to end up in that position?

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Smartiepants79 · 27/06/2024 08:56

Summerose · 27/06/2024 08:28

It's very interesting how it seems to be the general consensus that the driver shouldn't be prosecuted.

And yet, in another case where three people were stabbed to death by a mentally ill man (I forget the town in the UK. But it was a young couple and an older man) the prosecution took that case to court. Even when the verdict was given, many struggled to believe that there was no culpability. Even if it was obvious from the start that the man was mentally ill.

When I look at bith these cases, there seems to be a notion that prosecutions are based on how well heeled and respectable the defendants are? Which isn't right.

Being mentally ill is different from being essentially unconscious!
He made choices. Maybe not rational ones but still choices.
A person having a tonic clonic seizure has 0 control over their own body.

olivehater · 27/06/2024 08:57

If anyone should be prosecuted it is the car manufacturers. It was a large high end car wasn’t it? Shouldn’t there be safety mechanisms. My car slams on for a few blades of grass.

Mirabai · 27/06/2024 08:57

Dracaena · 27/06/2024 08:21

But there are so many non domestic vehicles on the road, especially 9-5 - you'd not be solving this problem by banning SUVs.

There really aren't that many lorries on a 9-5 in London's suburbs like Wimbledon. Only on a-roads and m25, and places like Wandsworth where they have a recycling plant and lots of construction.

And if lorries are acknowledged as fatal in collisions then that only shows that it is ridiculous for suck huge private vehicles to be driven.

There's no alternative to lorries, but there is to tank BMWs and range rovers. All it takes is buying a different car.

I live in SW London near Wimbledon Common. There are lorries everywhere all day every day!

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 08:58

Summerose · 27/06/2024 08:30

Well, she can have an actual life sentence behind bars as well. Two children DIED. A mother of one of those children suffered life changing injuries. Surely, someone has to be accountable.

I would question those medical reports as well. Looks like people have been paid to say what is convenient to let that woman off.

Why does the fact that people died and were injured mean someone has to be accountable? There is absolutely no sense or logic to that.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that people have been "paid off"? You do realise that, if they had, they would have been looking at the risk of losing their reputation, their jobs, their homes? What sort of payoff is worth that much?

kirinm · 27/06/2024 09:01

@Hazelville so have I - I watched my sister with uncontrolled epilepsy die when she was 19 because she kept fitting. I've also had about 30 myself so I'm very aware of what happens pre, during and post seizure.

There is no way anyone would have been able to have seen her immediately post scene and know that she had a seizure rather than had just been in a massive car crash.

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 27/06/2024 09:01

I don't think the lawyer helped here. He said

Trevor Sterling, the lawyer representing 20 of the families affected, called the CPS’s decision “disappointing”. He said: “What does this message send to the public, that deaths can arise in a road traffic situation and there could be no sanction because there is no process to interrogate the evidence?

But he should know the law. The driver didn't commit a crime; it was a terrible accident. Sometimes accidents do happen and there is nobody to blame.

CreateUserNames · 27/06/2024 09:02

HoldingTheDoor · 27/06/2024 08:51

I have had seizures before and lasted longer than 1 min. I remember how I felt, what I heard etc. Everyone’s experiences would vary, of course, but to say that she has no recollection at all is a very deliberate statement.

I have no trouble believing that she had no recollection. A relative developed epilepsy out of the blue and the tonic clinics were like a light being switched off for her every time. It’s normal. She had the occasional recollect ion/awareness of some of her complex partials and absence seizures but never the tonic clonics and she remained in a postictal state for quite some time afterwards.

The ones I had were the tonic-clonic (grand mal) ones. The things I don’t remember is how they started. However, I was very much aware during and afterwards.

kirinm · 27/06/2024 09:02

Janehasamane · 27/06/2024 08:48

Oh my, she has had brain scans. Which clearly show she’s had an epileptic fit.

Why do you keep saying this when it isn't the case or certainly not printed anywhere. Unless you happen to know her.

Bettergetthebunker · 27/06/2024 09:03

TheKoalaWhoCould · 27/06/2024 08:17

It’s not my area of expertise but grand mal seizures are a bit like earthquakes, I’d imagine - there would be aftershocks that could be picked up by EEG. And she may well have had an established pattern of seizure activity since the incident that has given clear neurological evidence.

Doesn’t always show up. My dd has had two eeg and definitely has epilepsy.

GingerScallop · 27/06/2024 09:03

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:51

@GingerScallop where does it say that? I've only seen it reported that they've concluded it was an epileptic seizure.

Bbc article . Read all of it especially paragraphs 3 (epileptic seizure) 11 (her first) and I think 21 if not 23 (neurological specialists).
I too want someone held accountable butvI can see given these findings why they decided not to prosecute.

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