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The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

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RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:47

Mischance · 27/06/2024 07:44

I wonder how they knew she had a seizure - these can normally only be recorded whilst they are happening - after the event there would have been no way anyone could be sure that this had happened as far as I am aware.

This is my understanding.

She had very expensive top lawyers.

she may have indeed had a seizure, but the families are not satisfied and that makes me question this even more. And I thought it was very difficult to prove epilepsy after the event.

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:47

@fedupwithbeingcold that's just not true.

I've been epileptic for over 30 years and have had multiple EEGs and MRIs. They've never identified any 'damage'.

Cliedi · 27/06/2024 07:47

Of course it’s right. This could happen to any one of us who drives a car. It was a horrible freak accident.

The poor parents of the two girls are looking for somewhere to direct their anger and pain. It’s understandable but it’s not the driver’s fault.

it is good to hear that they have investigated her medical history so thoroughly as this is easily something others could use as an excuse

Smartiepants79 · 27/06/2024 07:47

How is any of this conspiracy crap helping those poor families?
Sometimes life is desperately unfair.
This is a devastating accident. An accident.
None of those families lives will ever be the same again. Including the driver.
This has taken time because it takes time to diagnose new medical conditions.
So many people out here with damaging opinions but absolutely no knowledge or understanding!

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:48

ThePoshUns · 27/06/2024 07:32

Thanks for linking, I was thinking about this case the other day and wondering what had happened.
My only reservation is if the driver had a top solicitor is this something that they have 'come up with', but I am a cynic.
I assume the police and CPS have thoroughly tested this defence.
I feel so sad for the parents and understand their frustration.

CPS has to be confident they will win. Not necessarily just that they are right.

Busybeemumm · 27/06/2024 07:48

The only place a land rover is needed is on a field somewhere driven by a farmer. There is no place for one on small London residential roads.

DreadPirateRobots · 27/06/2024 07:48

Summerose · 27/06/2024 07:43

It's all straightforward, isn't it? Until it's your own loved one that is killed, and then, of course, it wouldn't be so straightforward.

Road accidents happen all the time, and people ger prosecuted for causing injury and/or death. It's obvious no one ever crashes into another person intentionally. Justice is about the driver-killer taking responsibility.

This would be the equivalent of getting prosecuted and jailed because someone crashed into you. Is that what you want? We do away with trial by jury and merely start punishing people based on how bad affected people feel rather than based on a system of law? You get prosecuted if you were involved in an accident and broke the law by driving without due care, or under the influence, or without obeying traffic signs. Or some other legal basis. You don't get prosecuted because your car was metaphorically struck by lightning because it's insane to prosecute people for things that they have no ability to control or prevent.

Busybeemumm · 27/06/2024 07:49

So sad for everyone involved.

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:49

Daisy95 · 27/06/2024 07:29

It's definitely the right decision. As somebody with epilepsy I got no warning when I had my first seizure and diagnosis is through an mri, eeg and seizure history. They won't just diagnose someone with epilepsy because they've had a single seizure.
Also you are allowed your driver license back after 12 months of being seizure free. She is will have to live with herself forever, I know personally I would have to.

She doesn't appear to have bern diagnosed with epilepsy - they've just said it was an epileptic seizure. Perhaps she's gone on to have another.

SmokeBlackCat · 27/06/2024 07:49

sweetnessandlighter · 27/06/2024 06:38

Perhaps if she'd been driving a smaller, lighter vehicle the damage would have been less.

This is my key takeaway. If she’d been driving even our car (an estate) it probably wouldn’t have crashed through the railing and the fence. It would be a terrible incident for her and no one else.

There are so many of those unnecessarily large ‘tanks’ on the streets of London. I understand more in rural areas where you might have to transport the occasional sheep in the back. But not Wimbledon.

I hope it makes some people think about their choice of car. But it probably won’t.

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:49

Smartiepants79 · 27/06/2024 07:47

How is any of this conspiracy crap helping those poor families?
Sometimes life is desperately unfair.
This is a devastating accident. An accident.
None of those families lives will ever be the same again. Including the driver.
This has taken time because it takes time to diagnose new medical conditions.
So many people out here with damaging opinions but absolutely no knowledge or understanding!

You could say that about many miscarriages of justice. If the families accepted it I’d say fine but they absolutely don’t.

MrsPerfect12 · 27/06/2024 07:50

If I was the mother I'd be wanting jail time/ justice. It's hard to accept for them. However as it's not happening to me I can agree it's the right decision. The woman that crashed will be living with the guilt forever - she'll never be the same either. It's so awful.

3luckystars · 27/06/2024 07:50

How do they know she had a fit?

3luckystars · 27/06/2024 07:51

Just wondering because my friend had a heart attack out swimming and they could tell afterwards even though it was over, but I know absolutely nothing about epilepsy.

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:51

@GingerScallop where does it say that? I've only seen it reported that they've concluded it was an epileptic seizure.

DreadPirateRobots · 27/06/2024 07:51

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:49

You could say that about many miscarriages of justice. If the families accepted it I’d say fine but they absolutely don’t.

Of course they don't accept it. They want blame. They want a villain. They want someone to hate. That is a very understandable thing, psychologically. But it doesn't mean that they could or should get what they want. Or that them not getting what they want is a miscarriage of justice. Sometimes life just doesn't provide a convenient villain.

WickedSerious · 27/06/2024 07:52

Hazeby · 27/06/2024 06:35

I had no idea that epilepsy could occur at any time in life! I thought it was something you were born with. Poor people.

My sister had her first seizure at the age of fifty three,it was just just pure chance that she wasn't driving when it occurred.

YouHaveAnArse · 27/06/2024 07:52

I wonder if this will lead to restrictions on the size/weight of vehicle allowed to be driven in urban areas. If something like this - a totally unforeseeable medical event leading to the driver losing control of a vehicle - happened in a 'regular' car rather than an SUV, would the risks have been lower?

kirinm · 27/06/2024 07:53

Where's the reference to a neurologist?

The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?
sunburnandsangria · 27/06/2024 07:54

I know the point re: SUV is coming up again and again but actually, what should be being criticised here is the wholly inadequate fencing/boundary erected by the school adjacent to a junction/road. It was an SUV but could have been an HGV/workers van/bin lorry and a mechanical failure rather than medical incident. Unless every vehicle on the roads is a small hatchback it's not going to solve for this 'low chance of happening, high catastrophe' incident.

(I don't own a car so have no skin in the SUV's are ok/not ok debate).

Serencwtch · 27/06/2024 07:54

About 10% of the population will have a seizure at some point in their life. Not all of these will be diagnosed with epilepsy.
Epilepsy is defined as recurrent seizures. Many people will have just 1 seizure in their life & sometimes without realizing and be perfectly fine. Someone who just has 1 seizure won't be diagnosed as epileptic unless there are obvious EEG changes etc.

It could happen to any of you - a sudden seizure or loss of consciousness, a sudden heart attack etc.

Smartiepants79 · 27/06/2024 07:54

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:49

You could say that about many miscarriages of justice. If the families accepted it I’d say fine but they absolutely don’t.

But they don’t know anything more about it than you do!
They know what they’ve been told and they know that they are heartbroken and angry.
Sadly, there is no one to be angry at. They thought they would get ‘justice’ but there is no justice to be had in this tragic accident.

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:55

I am assuming that something like this happened as it doesn’t make sense she just kept on driving, however my journalist instincts are triggered by 1) the families are not happy and they will have pored over the evidence 2) the wealth involved , a quick google shows this including a £3 million house - this gives access to top lawyers who can argue their way out of a paper bag.
If there is anything here, I hope a journo is on it.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 27/06/2024 07:55

Countrylife2002 · 27/06/2024 07:47

This is my understanding.

She had very expensive top lawyers.

she may have indeed had a seizure, but the families are not satisfied and that makes me question this even more. And I thought it was very difficult to prove epilepsy after the event.

Your post reads as though you think she's made it up/has got off on a technicality. The insinuation is awful.

I once knew someone who was jailed for causing death by dangerous driving because she recognised the signs of a condition that had caused her to black out in the past before she did (not epilepsy), but didn't pull over. She chose never to drive again.

Zanatdy · 27/06/2024 07:55

ThePoshUns · 27/06/2024 07:32

Thanks for linking, I was thinking about this case the other day and wondering what had happened.
My only reservation is if the driver had a top solicitor is this something that they have 'come up with', but I am a cynic.
I assume the police and CPS have thoroughly tested this defence.
I feel so sad for the parents and understand their frustration.

I don’t think even top solicitors can force medical professionals to lie

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