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The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

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RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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spikeandbuffy · 27/06/2024 22:40

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

Well no
She won't get her license back until she's been free of seizures for a year
She has children herself and is probably trying to protect them from all this
Plus the media and social media witch hunt
All this while trying to cope with a newly diagnosed medical condition that people think you're lying about
Let alone the guilt of what happened

Would you want someone to prosecute you if you randomly fainted or had a heart attack out the blue while driving and killed someone? You can't be responsible for an accident, especially if you're unconscious

Sending her to prison isn't going to do anything, there's no crime she needs punishment for

Have people never seen videos of this happening before on the motorway etc? It's not that unusual

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 22:41

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

Great.... Tomorrow, God forbid, you have a medical incident and kill a bus full of innocent children or vulnerable elderly. You're happy to be charged too, yes? Because you chose to have a medical emergency, right?

Jfc

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 22:52

The ludicrous vehicle she was in charge of weighed 3.5 tons.
It smashed through a metal fence.

Had she been driving something more suited to a city, the car would likely have hit the fence and stopped.

Very irresponsible to be driving vehicles like these in cities.

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 22:55

Diagram -her Chelsea tractor smashed down a ''Pavement barrier'' as well as the metal fence.

The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?
Oyrster · 27/06/2024 22:56

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 22:55

Diagram -her Chelsea tractor smashed down a ''Pavement barrier'' as well as the metal fence.

.... Your point? She had a seizure.

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 23:06

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 22:55

Diagram -her Chelsea tractor smashed down a ''Pavement barrier'' as well as the metal fence.

Diagram - seizure
(tongue firmly in cheek, if that is not obvious)

The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?
torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:16

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

What would you prosecute her for? It's not dangerous driving it careless driving or drunk driving.

I'm pretty sure 'causing death by having an unexpected epileptic seizure' isn't a chargeable offence

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:18

@Bookmark1111

The information HAS been provided though. She'll have submitted to independent medical tests for the police and CPS to determine whether charges should be brought. She'll have given statements too. The families will have been kept informed by their Family Liaison Officer. What else should she provide? Her bank details? Her entire life history? Every text she's ever sent? She's cooperated with the police investigation. Besides, do you honestly think anything she could say or do will ease their grief?
All I know is what I heard in the news which is that they are disappointed that the evidence wasn't available for their legal and medical teams to review. It's not unusual for the evidence to be reviewed by both sides legal teams

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:19

@SadOrWickedFairy

And you don't think the medical and legal experts employed by and paid by the parents will not share the information in those records in detail with the parents?
Not if they are following guidelines and don't want to be struck off. No.

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 23:20

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:18

@Bookmark1111

The information HAS been provided though. She'll have submitted to independent medical tests for the police and CPS to determine whether charges should be brought. She'll have given statements too. The families will have been kept informed by their Family Liaison Officer. What else should she provide? Her bank details? Her entire life history? Every text she's ever sent? She's cooperated with the police investigation. Besides, do you honestly think anything she could say or do will ease their grief?
All I know is what I heard in the news which is that they are disappointed that the evidence wasn't available for their legal and medical teams to review. It's not unusual for the evidence to be reviewed by both sides legal teams

If there's a trial, yes

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:22

@Oyrster

Because it's her private and traumatic medical information? Because it wouldn't actually help? Because she's already vulnerable enough after this and doesn't want to be exposed to even more analysis by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about but are adamant they do? Because her legal advice is not to?
I would have thought she is more vulnerable when there are people questioning the validity of the decision. There are crazy people out there who on hearing any sort of question over the decision might choose to target her and her family

Koulibiak · 27/06/2024 23:24

I’m surprised they have named the driver. I don’t understand why, given she will not be charged. What is the public interest? And I wished they hadn’t, because I have come to realise she is someone I vaguely know, and now I feel deeply sorry for her and her children, how they are being thrust in the limelight and gossip. I have no doubt she is carrying a life sentence. it’s a senseless tragedy.

I also have unending sorrow for the victims and their families. It’s not an either/or.

All those suggesting she got away because she is wealthy: she and the victims’ families belong to the same demographics. Also, being a white, well to do woman is not a crime. If it is true that a less wealthy/minority driver would have been charged, that simply means that a wrong would have been done to them. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The way to fight racial or class judicial bias is not to charge or convict non guilty white/rich people.

CelesteCunningham · 27/06/2024 23:26

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

Oh well if you don't agree. What's your professional angle here? Are you a prosector or a neurologist? How long have you spent analysing the evidence?

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 23:30

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:22

@Oyrster

Because it's her private and traumatic medical information? Because it wouldn't actually help? Because she's already vulnerable enough after this and doesn't want to be exposed to even more analysis by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about but are adamant they do? Because her legal advice is not to?
I would have thought she is more vulnerable when there are people questioning the validity of the decision. There are crazy people out there who on hearing any sort of question over the decision might choose to target her and her family

This thread illustrates that's already happening. She's in a lose lose situation regardless

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 23:32

ButterCrackers · 27/06/2024 19:14

But once you have had a seizure then driving should be banned. IMHO driving after having had a collision which killed people should also be a condition of losing the licence - the only exception would self defence and/or stopping a killer (I’m thinking of the man who mowed down a person who had stabbed someone - it was in the news a few months ago. )The fact of knowing you had killed people with your car (judgement was medical reasons) would be enough to stop most people from getting behind the wheel again.

Deleted - sorry, I misunderstood the original post.

powershowerforanhour · 27/06/2024 23:33

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

accused
/əˈkjuːzd/
noun
1.a person or group of people who are charged with or on trial for a crime:"the accused was ordered to stand trial on a number of charges"

She is not "the accused".
See also- the PP who thought that if the medical evidence was strong a trial would be a good thing for her, despite the CPS not thinking there was a case, so that she could "be completely cleared"...of...nothing.....

bellamountain · 27/06/2024 23:34

Would this tragedy have happened had she been driving a 'normal car'. My heart goes out to the families involved and the driver, it was an accident. However, I really wish this trend for huge 4 x 4 cars would end. We've inherited yet another US custom and we don't have the roads and space like they do over there. These huge cars are a hazard, especially around schools. The increase in pot holes and poor surfaces is also down to the increase in heavy duty vehicles using the roads.

CandidHedgehog · 27/06/2024 23:34

torridthrow · 27/06/2024 23:18

@Bookmark1111

The information HAS been provided though. She'll have submitted to independent medical tests for the police and CPS to determine whether charges should be brought. She'll have given statements too. The families will have been kept informed by their Family Liaison Officer. What else should she provide? Her bank details? Her entire life history? Every text she's ever sent? She's cooperated with the police investigation. Besides, do you honestly think anything she could say or do will ease their grief?
All I know is what I heard in the news which is that they are disappointed that the evidence wasn't available for their legal and medical teams to review. It's not unusual for the evidence to be reviewed by both sides legal teams

And it was - by both the prosecution (CPS and police) and the defence.

Victims are taken into account but they are never parties to proceedings and I have literally never heard of them being provided with evidence in this way.

The lack of understanding of criminal procedure on this thread is shocking.

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 23:37

CandidHedgehog · 27/06/2024 23:34

And it was - by both the prosecution (CPS and police) and the defence.

Victims are taken into account but they are never parties to proceedings and I have literally never heard of them being provided with evidence in this way.

The lack of understanding of criminal procedure on this thread is shocking.

Thing is, it's not just the lack of understanding... You don't know what you don't know.... But the absolute refusal to listen/acknowledge/accept being enlightened as to the workings of it that's the most jarring, I think

Livelovebehappy · 27/06/2024 23:42

Absolutely shouldn’t have been charged. This could have been any one of us. You don’t jump into your car thinking you might have a seizure, or heart attack or black out episode. It was a very tragic accident. Feel really sorry for her that her picture was published.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 23:43

dunkdemunder · 27/06/2024 20:18

@Scruffily

This is pure speculation. Do you think they really believe that, in a high profile case like this, the police might conceivably have forgotten to check any of those things?
Because legal cases are always so legitimately run. Huh? Post Office anyone?

The Post office prosecutions weren't high profile at the time they happened, and the police weren't involved.

Oyrster · 27/06/2024 23:45

Livelovebehappy · 27/06/2024 23:42

Absolutely shouldn’t have been charged. This could have been any one of us. You don’t jump into your car thinking you might have a seizure, or heart attack or black out episode. It was a very tragic accident. Feel really sorry for her that her picture was published.

I've just seen that. I don't think it's fair they've published her photo at all

Tiiina · 27/06/2024 23:56

Looking at the photos I also cannot help thinking less damage would be likely if she had not been driving a tank. These cars are like the XL Bulky of the car world.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 23:58

RedRobyn101 · 27/06/2024 22:37

I don’t agree with the descion not to prosecute but I’m not surprised. I think they probably would, if the accused were black and the victims white. I don’t know how the parents even begin to move forward from this, it’s them who have the life sentence and the accused gets her license back as if it never happened.

They have no evidence that a crime was committed. Why on earth would they prosecute, irrespective of the driver's colour?

She hasn't had her licence back. She never will if she keeps getting seizures, and there's a pretty strong chance that, even if she's seizure-free, she will never apply to get it back.

squishee · 28/06/2024 00:00

Charged with what? Having her first ever epileptic seizure without a medical history of it?

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