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A mother on the run

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milliec · 09/02/2008 23:03

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edam · 17/02/2008 13:44

I wonder whether, as a society, we've learnt anything from the experiences of forced adoption in the 50s and 60s. In those days it was the 'stain of illegitimacy' that was seen as an important child protection issue - an unmarried mother was automatically a bad woman who deserved to be punished for transgressing social norms. Children 'deserved' to be brought up by a respectable married couple.

There are endless testimonies about the heartbreak and cruelty that system inflicted on parents and to children. It took a social revolution to overthrow it.

Now we seem to be demonising different categories of women - those who are victims of domestic violence, or have suffered mental illness at some point, or who are addicted to drugs or alcohol. Or who have lost several child to cot death, as in the Clark/Patel/Cannings etc. etc. cases. Are we absolutely sure we aren't just making the same false judgements, just finding a new group of whom we can all disapprove?

I'm not doubting that child abuse exists, btw, just wondering whether we are falling into the same trap of assuming people in a certain category are automatically 'bad mothers'. Certainly some of the removals based on 'ooh, she might harm her newborn baby at some point even though she's never actually hurt a child' seem to reflect such false thinking.

edam · 17/02/2008 13:46

Some of us do have knowledge of SS, professionally or personally, you know, Pan.

Pan · 17/02/2008 13:48

edam - I know this.. Was expressing an opinion on it, as some people seem to wish to look at poorly reported infamous cases and then extrapolate on them. 'tis all.

edam · 17/02/2008 13:51

why ? Your post appeared to assume no-one knew anything about anything other than newspaper headlines.

Pan · 17/02/2008 13:56

Don't think it did, sorry edam. IT was supposed to balance the tone that invites an 'all SW are unaccountable' stuff. I did read your post much further down re modern standards and I'm not taking issue with it.

Pan · 17/02/2008 13:57

and on reflection, a lot of posters WILL only know of SW from news headlines!!

luminarphrases · 17/02/2008 13:59

yes, pan, i hate the daily mail too, but its unfortunate that they are the only paper who ever reports this type of story.

i often wonder if the guardian has got the balls to touch some of these cases, given that a good proportion of their readership is in the social work/ public sector. never hear many reports in the social section of where things have gone wrong, do we?

edam · 17/02/2008 14:01

If only my venerable godmother was in charge these days, she'd sort out the lot of them - any crap SWs AND the people in charge - council chief execs, govt. ministers who set policy and funding. Things were run properly in her day and there have been no bloody scandals about her area in her time because there's no scandal to dig up.

Upwind · 17/02/2008 14:02

Pan - when I wrote about accountability, I should have made it clear that I meant at a management level. In the Climbie case, an overworked junior SW was made a scapegoat. In return for higher salaries managment should have a higher level of responsibility, and accountability when things go wrong.

Pan · 17/02/2008 14:03

this isn't a 'news item' is it? It's an unsubstantiated mess to catch people's eye.

Don't resd the Guardian myself, but I would prob. do so on issues of CP over the Daily Mail, oddly.

Pan · 17/02/2008 14:05

Upwind - thanks. But, didn't the senior manager also resign over VC. They were certainly lambasted for their role in the subsequent inquiry.

Upwind · 17/02/2008 14:11

Pan - according to the Guardian the senior officials who were lambasted in the enquiry were actually promoted.

Pan · 17/02/2008 14:12

Crumbs. Didn't know that one. thanks.

edam · 17/02/2008 14:23

I have actually mentioned that once or twice, Pan. But I'm prepared to overlook your failure to note every golden syllable that drops from my keyboard. Just this once.

Pan · 17/02/2008 14:28

Glad you had the good grace to not mention it point it out!!

edam · 17/02/2008 14:29

Gurbux Singh, for example, was chief exec of Haringey council. He was responsible for a SS dept in chaos. Yet he was given the plumb job of head of the CRE! Another top bod went on to be very senior at the body responsible for inspecting SS...

edam · 17/02/2008 14:30

who, me?

johnhemming · 17/02/2008 14:50

Ofsted have been more critical about CAFCASS (who provide most of the Guardian's to Family Court Cases) than I have.

In their study they found little good or excellent work and a lot of inadequate work tempered by a small mount of adequate work.

The system is broken both ways. The decision making processes fail to operate objectively. That results in children dying and children being wrongfully removed from the families.

It is shockingly bad.

luminarphrases · 17/02/2008 14:58

Johnhemming- thanks for your continuing work in this area. having seen some of the trash printed about you in community care and the like just convinced me further that there is a real problem in social care that some sw's would like to ignore

edam · 17/02/2008 15:56

Comm Care stuff reminds me of a medical title I used to work on - just after I'd left the editor started attacking the Bristol parents (the heart surgery scandal). Seems to be a similar 'families who complain are just ignorant and the professionals know best' approach at Comm Care.

We need something like the Bristol Inquiry to uncover what's going wrong with child protection, tbh. Where's Ian Kennedy when we need him?

bossybritches · 17/02/2008 16:20

Pan thanks for pointing that out- yes I remember reading that now bc it was SO rare, and thinking "at last maybe we'll see some reponsibility being taken" sadly not.

In private business we have goals & objectives & regular appraisals of staff with feedback to enable good practice to grow and bad practice to be identified so further training can be given or disciplinary routes taken if standards are not raised. Why can't the SW system do that?

I am not a SW basher -I have a few friends who work in the child SW sector & I know it's a thankless task, I feel they are given little or no support in the field, as you say underfunding has to answer for a lot of this. My objection is to a whole system SW/family courts et al who refuse to self-regulate & self monitor & tolerate bad practice by so many within it's membership.

johnhemming · 17/02/2008 19:37

The failure to deal with bad practise reflects on the people doing a good job. I did think, however, that there were more people doing a good job than Ofsted found.

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