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Patients wait two and a half days for an ambulance

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JocelynBurnell · 06/11/2022 06:12

This is a scary report:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/05/patients-wait-two-half-days-ambulance-nhs-crisis-deepens/

Continuing ambulance delays, inaccessible care and soaring waiting lists have resulted in 50,000 needless deaths from heart attacks and strokes since 2020.

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AltitudeCheck · 28/12/2022 18:40

@Fordian a pharmacist working in a GP practice is employed either by the GP practice or by the Primary Care Network, they have no more conflict of interest than a GP or nurse prescriber working in the same GP practice. They aren't selling anything.

Cuppasoupmonster · 28/12/2022 18:49

I don’t vote Tory and would never vote Tory, but even I can see there are many factors outside of their control affecting the NHS - our population is ageing so fast and the birth rate so low, we simply have an enormous number of patients living longer and longer stacking up health conditions as they go, while the pool of labour is smaller and smaller.

I don’t think simply throwing money at it will solve the problem, it won’t magic up staff.

We need to rebalance the age demographics in this country as a matter of urgency.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 28/12/2022 18:54

alightfoot1 · 06/11/2022 10:44

It isn't just the ambulance waiting times that are through the roof, either. A&E is the same. I had to visit during the height of the plandemic "pandemic", and it was the most pleasant experience ever...in, x-rayed and stitched up in under an hour, and that included parking! I know someone who visited a few months ago with cardiovascular issues that was left waiting over 24hrs. She actually complained to her MP it was that bad in there.

Deaths are also completely through the stratosphere. There was another report by the Telegraph just recently noting that all cause mortality is exploding higher, and is now running at FIVE TIMES the level of deaths that were being recorded at the height of the " pandemic"..

twitter.com/telegraph/status/1587591663656079360

this phenomenon isn't limited to just the UK, as it is being noted all across the western world..

metatron.substack.com/p/dead-down-under

Deaths are 6% above the 5-year average - which is bad enough, but substantially lower than your statistic of 5x higher than pandemic levels, and not what I would describe as "stratospheric" or "exploding".

As PP have said we need £££££ into Social care, but also home healthcare (district/specialist community nurses) and mental health care.

And it wouldn't harm the NHS to be a bit less risk averse and a bit happier to say "no" occasionally.

bloodywhitecat · 28/12/2022 19:01

LadyHarmby · 06/11/2022 07:29

Surely if you can wait two and a half days for an ambulance you didn't need one in the first place? You can get medical attention elsewhere in that time.

Of course there are obvious exceptions, as highlighted by the poster above.

Just over a year ago DH had a massive stroke,I called 999 and we had a longer than we should wait for an ambulance to come from out of county. He couldn't walk, he was agitated and confused and he was struggling to manage his secretions even if I could've got him to the car (I couldn't, he'd lost the ability to walk) there is no way we could've kept him safe on the 50 minute drive to our nearest A&E. It is wrong to say that if you can wait you can get yourself there. I hope you never have to find out how scary these long wait times are.

TofuonToast · 28/12/2022 19:01

@Cuppasoupmonster
We need to rebalance the age demographics in this country as a matter of urgency

How?

Cuppasoupmonster · 28/12/2022 19:03

TofuonToast · 28/12/2022 19:01

@Cuppasoupmonster
We need to rebalance the age demographics in this country as a matter of urgency

How?

We need to have a referendum on assisted dying. We need to reconsider the extent to which we keep dementia patients alive. We need to better subsidise childcare and extend
maternity leave to encourage people to have more kids. We need to increase immigration in the 20-35 age bracket.

Windbeneathmybingowings · 28/12/2022 19:11

Fordian · 28/12/2022 18:30

But they have a conflict of interest, don't they? That's the issue. I really don't want to be accusatory, but if a pharmacist who needs to make a profit- suggests treatment, there's a strong incentive to flog the most expensive, isn't there?

DS has a middle ear infection. All the symptoms. As he couldn't access GP care, he went to a pharmacist, who sold him an outer ear ear-drops drying solution. Which won't touch otitis media.

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I have the exact same experience of this. The steroid is prescription only. As are the antibiotic drops. I have recurring ear infections and the only way to have it treated since the pandemic is to show up at urgent care. My GP won’t even see me for this, I just get no response to the email or told all the appointments are gone. I present at a&e deaf.

i am finally under consultant care but there is no way a pharmacist could help with an ear infection.

twinkleto · 28/12/2022 19:27

OssomMummy1 · 06/11/2022 07:24

With 40K nurses short, 5K doctors short and 60K beds cut since 2009, what did you expect? The tory idea was to move the care into community, not just for elderly, but for everyone. Nothing has happened but A&E attendance has skyrocketed. Also, it pays more to work as locum in NHS than a permanent staff. So, who wants to work as permanent staff in NHS? Sort your pension, tax and annual appraisal out, you are the boss of your career. Annual Pension allowance is also not helping clinicians. The most experienced staff are cutting their working hours because if they work more, they pay more tax than take home. What's the point?
My neighbour has been diagnosed with high BP yesterday and he has been started on BP tablets by the pharmacist of his GP surgery !! This should speak volumes. No offence to any pharmacists, they are amazing with their knowledge on drugs, doses, interactions, side-effects etc. But, BP treatment is lifelong and multiple factors including mental health, liver/kidney function, sex life need to be taken into consideration before deciding on which medication suits individual patient lifestyle.

So, next time when you are in that polling station with that card and pencil in hand, think carefully before you put that 'X'. I am not here to tell you whom to vote. But, healthcare facility is the UK has taken huge bashing since 2009 and we will feel the impact for decades to come.

That pharmacist will be an independent prescriber and fully qualified to prescribe for BP - they will have obtained a secondary degree to do so.

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