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James Bulger's mother demands right to find freed killers

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suzywong · 28/11/2004 08:01

as reported in the \link{http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml\news of the world.

Should she have the right?

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soapbox · 30/11/2004 22:44

Bundle - I think what people keep coming back to on this thread, is that we understand Denise Bulgers feelings and her pain and as (I think its all mums posting here) mothers we can empathise with her entirely.

But what many posters have tried to do (with varying degrees of success) is to draw the distinction between what JB's mother might be minded to do, and what society should do.

I believe that distinction is crucial to understand. For Denise Bulger - her desire for vengence must be overwhelming - and as mothers we can empathise with that. For society as a whole we want to cling to the belief that 10 year old boys are capable of redemption and rehabilitation. The two different sets of reactions do not need to be in conflict - they are just different sides of the same coin!

jampot · 30/11/2004 22:44

I agree with GDG

Dior · 30/11/2004 22:46

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tamum · 30/11/2004 22:47

Bundle, that's a very good point about Mary Bell. I feel real admiration for the way she appeared to have pulled her life together; she seems to represent an excellent example of rehabilitation. She was another child who was profoundly damaged by her early upbringing. She's actually a far better example of the power of rehabilitation (in terms of the Bulger case) than the other examples of hardened adult criminals.

spacemonkey · 30/11/2004 22:48

soapbox, you're awesome

JoolsToo · 30/11/2004 22:50

spacemonkey and sophable - I must apologise for my typing error 'repentant' is of course what I meant to type. Goodness me, whatever next? Nice to know we have a mature and adult debate here.

soapbox the reason we are more interested in two 10 year old murderers is because that is what the thread is about.

Now we've got those points cleared up - I'll move on.

Adieu!

Heathcliffscathy · 30/11/2004 22:50

gdg, now i am clearer about where you are coming from and respect that...just dont' agree

soapbox, you truly deserve it (the soapbox that is)...could listen to you all day.

twatshank · 30/11/2004 22:55

How i see it is i have an opinion and you have yours. Thats all fine and good, but just because mine is different doesnt make it WRONG. There is no need to be rude about it. You will have to get up alot early to bother me with childish name calling.
I wont change my views because a few do gooders think its wrong to feel angry about it.
Those of you grown ups who accept others opinions even if they arent the same as your own, then im sorry.

hercules · 30/11/2004 22:57

no, it is true i dont think tearing someone limb from limb is okay and i dont mind saying so.

twatshank · 30/11/2004 22:59

And there are ways of saying so without rubbing people up the wrong way. I am very much an eye for an eye, your not fine. Your opinion mine, agree to disagree.

hercules · 30/11/2004 22:59

so why not use your real name?

twatshank · 30/11/2004 23:00

What has that got to do with it. I use this name on every forum????? So your called hercules? Or can i call you herc?

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:01

if you are suggesting i say fine, I have no problem with someone thinking it is acceptable to murder two 10 year old boys then you will be waiting a long time.

soapbox · 30/11/2004 23:01

Actually - on the other had twatshank - pealse don't tell us who you really are - I don't think I could bear knowing

spacemonkey · 30/11/2004 23:02

twatshank, re name calling - you're the one that picked the name twatshank! However offensive I find your opinions, this is an open debate and you are welcome to post. I don't think you have made a particularly intelligent contribution to the discussion but never mind.

twatshank · 30/11/2004 23:02

What on earth are you going on about? And you didnt answer my question.

bundle · 30/11/2004 23:02

soapbox, agree wholeheartedly it's completely different for those close to a dreadful crime (and there's nothing more dreadful than the murder of a child) and society in general. I suppose the reason why we have laws and sentences is because the spiral of violence would never end if everything was settled by "an eye for an eye" even though that is instinctive. I too strongly believe in redemption/rehabilitation, that it's the mark of a civilised society, after all we're making laws for us/our families as well as society in general.

twatshank · 30/11/2004 23:03

talking of NAMES, Spacemonkey? Hello?

hercules · 30/11/2004 23:04

Actually twatshank did leave a big clue earlier on about their identity on mumsnet. I only hope I am wrong.

bundle · 30/11/2004 23:04

spacemonkey is a long-time and much-valued poster on mn.

spacemonkey · 30/11/2004 23:04

Well if I had picked the name shitheadmonkey then you might have a point

twatshank · 30/11/2004 23:05

So thats why new comers arent made welcome, the older valued ones deserve respect.

bundle · 30/11/2004 23:05

sm

Heathcliffscathy · 30/11/2004 23:05

twatshank, you're on a losing wicket here, i'd quit while you were behind

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