So explain to me how you & I benefit from the rise in immigration

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Please explain to me who except the already rich employers (and translators) are benefitting - im not trying to be contentious I would just like to understand.

They are cheap labour therefore why should a british employer pay a decent wage i.e enough for you and I to pay our mortgage when they can get an immigrant willing to live 20 to a house in substandard conditions. So wages will go down.

They dont pay much tax because they are on minimum wage plus are sending a lot of their wages out of the country.

They are entitled to healthcare and as this report says are costing the police money.
news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6167846

I also read yesterday that european immigrants are entitled to tax credits for their children who still live abroad (wtf), hospitals, police, school have to employ translators - of course this is all coming out of the piggy bank you and I have paid into for years and will continue to.

I just dont get it - SORRY!

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Well I personally benefitted cos I married one.

I think I'd still be single otherwise....

Immigrants have lower standards and accept much worse conditions, don't you know?

I think that there should be caps on immigrants though, same as in Canada, Australia etc

we are a small country after all

the Government do not have a clue how many extra people are moving here and some councils are having major problems funding extra facilites

surely a world with ony "economic" migrants would be a better one than one in which people had to flee because of fear of death.

's alright Fio, willr eclaim favour in 6 months LOL!

no, but you can only fit so many people in and provide for them adequately

if the councils do not know how many people are here, how are they to plan doctors/housing/schools etc

read somewhere that the language about this topic (flooding, waves, tides, uncontrolled) naturally makes us think about being washed away even though the numbers involved are very very small

I agree you do need to know- but that's not necessarily the same as them not being here, iyswim? I could see the sense of a registration scheme.

I don't really understand why migrants should be able to access WTC for children not living here either, I ahve to say. But I am not a scholar of benefits logic (is there such a thing? esp. with regards to WTC)

Actually its about EU law I know, I imagine a British eprson abroad would be able to claim from their economic provisions- now I seriosuly doubt that would be worth much in amny palces, but that's a good thing in that we should be happy we have more support available- whether the EU law is a good thing, is a matter of eprsonal judgement.

I am on the other side, am applying to emigrate to NZ.
I think multiculuralism can only be a good thing (hope the New Zealand population think so too )

I agree

I think I watched a program - was it Slough, iirc there was a thread kick off on that one , whereby the council had a huge loss in their budgets as they accounted for more people than the governement said

if there was a register, then that may not happen

me too Lizzylou, we are off to Australia (hopefully)

what makes me laugh, is people that say 'oh are you emigrating because of all the immigrants?'

er, no

they do not see the irony

home time now, bye for now

Kualalump - the UK does have a "points" system for immigrants outside the UK. If you are planning to come here to work you have to either
a) Have a job already with a visa sponsored by the company (eg a signed contract with a UK company. And the company will have had to advertise in the UK already to try to fill locally, and be paying the same salary as if they were a local person)
b) Get an HSMP visa which means you need to show you have a degree, earn more than £40K in your own country, and a shed load of other stuff.

With both options you are not eligble for benefits for 4 years.

Doesn't apply to EU citizens of course.

QoQ - did you have to spend long hours in the Croydon office? That's a thoroughly depressing place isn't it.

Quick note on terminolgy..

Asylum-seeker - one who requests to remain in this country for various reasons (can apply from abroad too)

Refugee - one who has been an asylum-seeker, and has been granted leave to remain (an odd expression), usually under certain circs. and conditions.

Foreign National - anyone who is not entitled to hold a British passport.

What I don't understand is why we aren't doing more to get our young NEETS off benefits and into those jobs which our immigrants are apparently happy to perform.

Why is it possible to opt out of a working life at quite an early age because you "don't like" and simnply aren't prepared to work in, the only jobs open to someone with limited qualifications which you may have because you "didn't really see the point of regularly attending and working at school" either.

This country is wasting taxpayer's money because no politician dare introduce draconian enough unemployment benefits legislation.

The vacancies in unattractive fields of employment then attract immigrants who have a more realistic "to get money I need to work" type of mentality boosted by the incentive of the relative levels of wages in this country and their country of origin.

Rates of crime commited during daytiime working hours could be reduced if there was less possibility of just hanging out with your mates, egging each other on until trouble ensued, instead of turning up to a place of employment and finding it necessary to do everything in your power to keep the job or simply have no income.

Right wing rant over I can now return to reading the torygraph or daily mail.

"did you have to spend long hours in the Croydon office? "

god no! He would have been turned away at the airport had he come to the UK with no Visa! This was all while we were still living in Zimbabwe.

"I have mentioned before on other threads that assylum seekers given leave to stay access council housing "

yes some stay in council houses.....but they are the ones which are in such bad areas/bad state of repairs (mould, damp etc) that British people on the housing list turn down!

Potoroo - they must be revamping this point system then. I suppose it will still not apply to European economic migrants which seem to be the majority of migrants coming to the UK at the moment.

I imagine over time, the poorer countries in Europe will become less poor and there will be fewer differences between all the countries. Then there will be less attraction to coming to work in the UK. It should have been managed better up to now but things will settle down.

It is a problem for countries like Poland too. Many of their best people are here (builders, dentists, etc.) and they are having to replace their skilled workers with people from other countries. I've read it's a problem for African countries losing skilled people as well. It does seem like madness for so many people to be away from their homes and families but it is the free market economy. You go where the work is and where you're paid the most for doing it. Our education system is so bad that we don't train people with the skills we need. We train doctors and other medical staff but then the NHS has no money to employ them so they have to go abroad. Ridiculous.

Perhaps I could go to Poland or Romania to make a quick buck. I could buy a cheap property and work there - except I haven't got any skills they would want and I don't speak the language. Oh well, there's always Australia or New Zealand.

fedupwasherwoman- 'bring back National Service!!'

Lordy, Kualalump, that's a bit drastic even by my standards !

A large percentage of health care workers in my area are immigrants and I am very grateful for the care me and my family receive from them.

We have some thriving local businesses run by immigrants which bring jobs and help the economy from a large water park atraction to my local takeaway.

Dd goes to school with the children of some immigrants who are lovely people and I enjoy socialising with them.

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LOL MyTwoDoubloons worth. I married one too.