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Article discussing the law on leaving children alone...

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Mumpbump · 09/05/2007 11:32

At the risk of provoking more heated discussion on the topic, I thought this article quite interesting as I'm sure a lot of people have been wondering in light of recent events what the legal position actually is on leaving children alone...

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ipanemagirl · 10/05/2007 13:03

It's true our real risk of hideous death or disfigurement is in the car. But we are so dependent we refuse to think about it.
And people who speed excessively think that they are such good drivers that accidents only happen to other people!

DrNortherner · 10/05/2007 13:04

Having read lots about the debates on the right or wrongs of leaving your kids alone, to me it begs one question.

Would it be acceptable if you left your children with a nanny/au pair/baby sitter?

Or would you go absolutley crazy that they ahd left your children to go and have dinner and hold them entirely responsible?

DrNortherner · 10/05/2007 13:06

Menat to add I am well aware of how many parents make the same judgement call every day and no harm comes to their kids. Of course, the true perpetrator is the evil sick f**k taht has madeleine.

kookaburra · 10/05/2007 13:15

I read this yesterday and found it very irritating, as it actualy didn't give a clear cut legal position, because there isn't one! It was just an excuse to cash in on the Madeleine McCann case. I have been told by a child recently (admittedly a precisious little brat - not mine )that it is illegal to leave my DS1 (age 9)in the hosue on his on while I fetch DS2 form another house. Well bugger that - I know my son and he has been eager to walk home from school by himself sometimes since he was 7 - he is sensible and trustworthy. The school is about 1/2 a mile awy on suburban streets. He has also been allowed to walk the same distance distance in another direction to buy a comic on a Saturday morning from time to time. I have hated every moment he was gone, but because of the fear of dangerous drivers, not paedophiles. I would not however allow DS2 who is now 7 to do that as he is a totally diffrent character and would be too distracted to reliably cross the road.
People have to make judgements based on their own child's maturity, and encourage them to be independent when they are ready.

Astrophe · 10/05/2007 13:16

I think its to do with how easily avoided risks are, as someone mentioned. You can't live normally without driving in the car, but you can live normally without leaving your kids in a carpark for example.

And the risk/ease ratio changes for each situation -
eg, Mum with 4 kids who can see the car from the petrol station= leave them in the car. Mum with 2 kids who can't see them = bring them in,
Mum with 4 kids who can't see them from the petrol station =???

FWIW I personally think its an acceptable risk to take to leave children asleep while you are in the garden/within a minutes distance of the house - as the chances of something happening are so incredibly slim. I left my 2 kids in the car this am when I popped in for bread - the car was alarmed and I could see the car, though not the kids.

Of course in the light of recent events we will all be assessing risk differently, as the risk assesment is also based on the worst case scenario outcome, as well as likelyhood of something going wrong.

NKF · 10/05/2007 13:17

Kookaburra - surely it's a good thing that there isn't a clear cut legal position. So you can decide what's safe for you and your family.

NKF · 10/05/2007 13:20

And we become more confident as time goes on. First children are protected from every wind that blows. With subsequent children, people tend to be more relaxed.

manitz · 10/05/2007 13:23

Hi around 156 children die (within 3 months is a death, if they die later it's a serious injury) in road accidents compared to between 3 and 7 a year who are killed by strangers (2 a week are killed by family or friends according to tv yesterday).

ime there needs to be a balance between cotton wool and teaching child to make choices and personal experience affects the choices you make. my sis was killed by a car playing outside the house, my kids don't play on the street and I'm not sure I'll ever let them but I will teach them how to walk on their own and manage crossing roads on their own. for what it's worth the death of a child due to a car had an immense and negative effect on me and my family, imagining them tortured before dying would have made infinite upset worse.

Accidents in the home account for the largest number of injuries and for that reason it's unlikely I'll leave them alone until they are a bit older. For more info look at www.capt.org.uk who organise child safety week 18-24june and have fact and figures fact sheet about how many children have accidents, what type and at what age. they also have advice about how to balance overprotection with natural concern and allowing a kid to learn independence.

sorry don't usually post as i always end up ranting!

LilRedWG · 10/05/2007 13:25

I don't know about that NKF. I wasn't left in on my own of an evening until I was about 15 - my Dad is very protective - and I'm the youngest of six and was a very mature child.

NKF · 10/05/2007 13:26

He might have been unusual though. Many kids aged 15 offer babysitting to friends' families.

NKF · 10/05/2007 13:28

Maybe they are older. I don't know. I certainly did babysitting when I was doing my A levels. Does anyone use teenage babysiiters? How old are they usually?

RubyRioja · 10/05/2007 13:30

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Mumpbump · 10/05/2007 13:40

It's so difficult to say in what situation you would/wouldn't leave your children alone. At 15 months, I don't let ds out of my sight so would leave him in a car if I were paying for petrol, provided I could see him. We let our dsc play outside on the (very, very quiet!) road unsupervised at the ages of 9 and 13, but don't think I would want a child younger than 9 to be out in a public place without supervision.

We have always taken my dsc out with us in the evening when on holiday as holiday is really dh's only chance to spend unbroken quality time with them. We have used babysitters/taken au pair on holiday with ds because he is too young to be left alone, imo, and we have never had the option of baby listening so I don't know whether we would have used it or not. Probably not, tbh, as I don't see how they can listen 100% of the time.

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manitz · 10/05/2007 13:46

i regularly babysat neighbours children whilst revising for gcses, usually with a friend. didn't have to feed them and they were school age. wouldn't leave a baby with someone who wasn't a mum/dad/qualified. wouldn't have had a clue at that age what to do with a baby and def wouldn't leave my kids with a teen i didn't know well or my kids didn't know well.

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 10/05/2007 13:54

To me it?s about perceived risk. I wouldn?t think about abduction if I were leaving a child, I would think about what if they woke up and discovered I wasn?t there, and got upset? And especially in a complex like a hotel, what if they then came looking for me, stepped out of the bedroom door and out into the public part of the hotel, they wouldn?t know where to find me, so might be wandering aimlessly around the hotel complex, and perhaps further afield, maybe mummy went to the beach or the shop, so maybe they would try and go to the beach or the shop to look for mummy, and once they stepped out into public they would be at risk of being hit by a car perhaps, or falling into a swimming pool. The risks are low, but probably higher than the risk of being abducted. Also I think it?s about a child?s sense of security. When I put my child to bed at night he knows that if he needs me he can come and find me. And if I?m going out he knows that mummy and daddy are going out and that Nanny will be coming to look after him. And although he very rarely wakes up in the night, what if the one time he woke up, there was no one there to comfort him, to get him a drink, would that then change his view of going to sleep knowing that his mummy and daddy were still there?

And agree with other poster who said that there are risks we don?t need to take which can be balanced against risks we do need to take. You can?t never cross a road, because you couldn?t live a normal life then. And equally for some there are perhaps additional risks that we need to take.

For me, the hardest thing I ever did was to let ds go in a public place, where I couldn?t see him, knowing that he could potentially run away from me and that I wouldn?t know where he?d gone. But it was something I had to do, because the only way he would ever earn my trust, was if I let him go. And before I had children I promised myself that my children would never have to compensate for the fact I have a disability, had I not been able to be sure I could do that, I wouldn?t have had children. And I am well aware that I am perhaps slightly more vulnerable in that a potential abductor might se me with my child and think that he could be a good target because I wouldn?t see them, but tbh you just can?t live your life in that kind of fear. My ds knows he?s not to go round the corner where he can?t see me, and he doesn?t. and although I can?t see him I have an excellent sense of perception, so I know where he is, what he?s doing, and how far away he is so I can call him to stop if I think he?s getting too far away.

manitz · 10/05/2007 14:24

I have just read the article; was originally posting in response to the 'being run over doesn't hold the same horror' bit and had just skimmed posts.

I always leave my kids in car at petrol stations and outside corner shop I leave them in double buggy (man at counter chats through door to them). I have considered once going to pharmacy (5 mins away) while dd was sleeping but couldn't do it and woke her up, I have baby listened in a pub when they were asleep upstairs - well barstaff did it for us. I think the conclusions are so vague because there are so many different things that contribute to the decisions we make and nothing is cut and dried or black and white. I think I'm quite paranoid but I'm not so sure now!

Think the article is a bit cobbled together to try and provide balance to the criticisms of the mccanns. - and sort of 'broadsheet' comment.

Dabbles · 10/05/2007 14:49

Can someone explain to me how this stands wiht regards to .. say u woulndt leave a child of say, 5 alone in the house, but ppl lcan let the child our to play , unsupervised in the street??

never understtod that one

Mumpbump · 10/05/2007 14:50

I wouldn't, but assuming it is a quiet street, there are arguably more hazards inside a house, I guess...

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NKF · 10/05/2007 14:53

There can also be what feels normal in your neighbourhood. Where I live, you never see children playing out in the street. But friends of mine live opposite a green and it's full of children.

OrmIrian · 10/05/2007 16:35

That is true. Children play out in our quiet street and the next door park. When we first came here DS#1 was 7 months old and I was a bit shocked to see it. But as mine children grew older I got used to it and now I'm very happy with the situation.

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