this makes me feel physically sick

[ssd]

I read today in the paper that internet sites showing child abuse are growing at an alarming rate

The abuse was the worst form, rape, sadism and bestiality

I really felt sick reading about this and I feel sick posting this now

How cruel adults can be towards children seems to hold no bounds

I want to keep my children in at home all the time but they must have a childhood and that includes going out to play

These poor poor children, I can't even bear to think about their suffering

I hope the perpatrators and those who choose to look at this sickness rot in hell

Yes, and the children are getting younger too. It is sickening, but not sure what to do about it. British based websites are more or less 100% free of this stuff. It seems to come mainly from Russia and, more shockingly, America.

it saddens me into what world we are bring our poor innocent children into, i cannot believe how things are panning out sexual abuse, gun crimes knife crimes mass shootings, is this really what makes society tick now days, why has it turned so evil,,,, it scares me it really does, its everyday someone is having this done or that done to them, life and innocence is so cheap nowdays it means nothing, just so so sad!!!!!

oh God ssd

sometimes i just flick over these news stories. i dont know what else to do. dd1 is 4.5yrs and goes across the culdesac to the playpark and round the corner to her friends, i wnat to lock ehr away til shes 18 but obv i cant

isnt it so sad, that this is how good people feel ,,,, we should lock our kids up to keep them safe, i thought the criminals where the ones who should be locked up,,, something is clearly wrong, as so many thousands of people are getting away with this every second of everyday, the punishment is not a deterrant,

Thank God, that in this country at least, it is pretty unlikely anything so vile will ever happen to our children.

I don't know how these criminal gangs who make the films get the children. Are there ways of stopping them?

squeakbub i asked my mum last night what age i walked to school with my friends and not her, she said she walked me to school maybe the first 2 weeks then i was on my own! i was 5 and the school was a 20 min walk

Squeaky, these terrible people couldn't give a shite whether you let your daughter walk to the shop on her own. They 'win' by making enormous amounts of money from the films they make. Until the money stops they will carry on.

i think it does happen in the country but just not on such a large scale, the whole thing saddens me poor poor children,

surely money cannot make this just happen these people need to be sick evil !!!!!!,, no amount of money would allow me to be cruel to poor innocent children,

your right there is so much more than can and should be done....

Although child abductions are of course horrific they are pretty rare.
I think the majority of the sum total of harm caused by government cost cutting in letting paedophiles walk free is actually the collapse in walking to school.
We live on the edge of Epping Forest, within 5 minutes walk there is a shallow lake with an island in the middle. Should be crawling with kids running, shouting, etc.
Nope. On a Summer Sunday I can walk for an hour and not see one child. Yet there are a lot of people living nearby.

The long term harm is obese, sedentary children. I reckon I ate much more sugar and fat than kids these days, but burned it off.
Diabetes doesn't get the headlines of a kidnapping, but is the real "payload" of letting social workers play at doctors and nurses with paedophiles.
You increase diabetes by 1% and that's thousands of people dying, going blind etc.
Heart disease also is going up, and of course fat sedentary parents don't play energetic games with their kids.

Yes, surely the credit card thing is the answer - and I'm sure it will eventually happen that we find a way to cut off money getting to these people.

The other thing is guarding our children against sexual abuse because it is usually abused children who grow up to be abusers (though not all of them of course). And by that I don't mean "SAarah's law" and trying to hound out some old giffer on the corner, I mean educating children and watching out for abuse within families, which is where it usually comes from.

I would also add that I'm not sure human nature is getting worse, actually. There have always been horrific abuses of children, eg inside the catholic church, as well as in families - and in past times children were less likely to be believed or to have anyone to stand up for them. At least we now do have systems to look out for abuse, even if there's a lot that slips through the net.

Same with war, violence and cruelty in general. There has always been great humanity and great inhumanity. I find it amazing how our one species is capable of such great extremes...

Dominiconnor, this thing about paedophiles is a huge misunderstanding and wrong-end-of-sticj situation IMO. People just love to identify someone "evil" and insist they are not allowed to "walk free". But it just isn't that simple. The vast, vast majority of sexual abuse to children is carried out by people they know and trust - parents, uncles, grandparets, teachers, scout leaders, churchmen, the list goes on. The same goes for violence towards children and murder of children. On top of that, even most paedophiles who are unknown to the child are not convicted or known to the authorities. My dad is a dangerous paedophile who has never been convicted or listed, for example. It benefits no one a jot to have a list of known paedophiles in their area, if he is living right next door to them, because they would not know about him. What's more, it was ever thus - children have always been at risk of sexual abuse generally, not just from some bunch of people on a list.

The best thing you actually can do therefore to protect children is to educate them, let them know that their body is theirs and help them understand what is not appropriate, and that it's OK to tell someone and they will be believed, and to watch out for the risks among the people you know.

Whenever I see people protesting about a paedophile on their street corner my heart sinks. Because they could rip that paedophile's head off and still make about 0.000001% difference to the likeihood that their child will be abused. if it happens, it will probably be a family member or respected community member.

snowleopard

Peadophiles are evil.They have a certain control over their so called illness.They play with the minds of children making them believe that mummy and daddy or whoever hate them and that only the peadophile love them.From experience I know that the only way to stop these people is to lock them up or kill them.I would personally put to death my uncle and others like him given the chance.My uncle ruined our family when he abused my Db.He also abused other children who were local.
He has infected my family in many ways since.
These people,and I use that word lightly, need to be stopped in any way possible.I don't hold with social workers etc. who describe them as just people with a solvable problem.
The government need to wake the hell up and do something otherwise we will end up having to keep our kids in cotton wool.

Snow Leopard, I do not call them evil. In these threads I use the term "toxic waste".

Poisonous chemicals do not "want" to hurt people, they just do because it is their nature; if not kept properly confined.
If I operated a factory and let chemicals kill children, why should that be any different to social workers or parole boards who can't cope with paedophiles ?

I accept that much abuse is within family circles. Again my analogy with chemicals holds true. Most child poisonings are from bleach, cleaning chemicals and legal drugs left lying around.

But if I, as the the owner of a factory that had poisoned kids through my incompetence said "it's OK to let toxic waste run through the streets because parents have bleach in their homes", I would not be taken seriously.

The "best" thing is not education. The best thing is severe and truly scary punishment.

I fail to see what education can protect a 7 yo against an adult, but if the adult is really really scared of what will happen to them if they abuse a child, then they are less likely to do it.
Some paedophiles are of course so mentally ill that they cannot be deterred, but most aren't. You don't have to save many children from being raped to have done serious good.

We need a mix of carrots and sticks. Increase funding for treatment. That can be partly funded by total seizure of all abusers assets. House, car, everything. They won't be needing them because they won't be coming out until they are fixed, which is probably never.

How do we define "fixed" ?
Easy.
Seriously, it's a trivial.
Make the government liable in the same way as the owner of a factory.
If you release toxic waste, you have to recompense people affected. Applies to humans as well as chemicals.
If the government had to shell out a million quid for every rape or murder it caused by letting toxic waste out, they would filter a lot harder.
I used to work with really toxic chemicals, heavy metals, cyanide and cleaning fluids whose effect looked like effects from SciFi movies. But the output of our work was entirely safe. You could have licked the stuff we made with no ill effects.
We had to work quite hard on that, much harder than parole boards who do it for a bit of a laugh.

Stop the press. Call 999.

I agree with DC's last post 100%.

DominiConnor says a lot of what I would say.

And I repeat

If the government had to shell out a million quid for every rape or murder it caused by letting toxic waste out, they would filter a lot harder.

What deterrent is going to jail, being rehoused amongst normal households

As DConnor says

if the adult is really really scared of what will happen to them if they abuse a child, then they are less likely to do it.

The same goes for any crime but surely when talking about innocent little ones who can have their whole life totally trashed in a matter of a few short minutes or too long year what difference does the punishment ever make ?

"well callisto perhaps we should be lobbying the evil credit card companies who are in full knowledge of what people are using their money for. if they stopped honoring transactions and co-operated with the people trying to hunt down and stop these people the money would be taken out of the equation."

Squeaky, I agree we should. If there is no money to be made from child pornography then a lot of it will cease. The people making these films arn't necessarily paedophiles; they merely see an opportunity to make money. I also think that an international agreement on web content and the ability to track the source of the films is essential.