Attack in marseille

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Two dead. Exact links between the attacker and isis are not yet clear.
[[I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Marseille attack: Two young women stabbed to death - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41461107]]

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Great Post, Applefalls

applefalls says "... why is nobody publicly attacking the ideology .."

It will lose votes for any party who does. Labour and Momentum are in an unholy alliance with radical Islam because both are totalitarians - that's the name of the current game..

I'm a bit disappointed, to be honest. Arguing for reform comes in all forms, at all levels. It can be targeted at how religion is enacted at state level (there are lots of Saudi feminists), or at the level of how religion is individually lived , for example, through individual acts of re-interpretation, re-positioning or writing texts that argue against misogynistic interpretations, etc.

It's simply not true to bundle all that opposition and critical engagement into 'apostasy' and claim it doesn't happen. That is another form of silencing.

I've given two examples of writers who critically engage, mainly from a feminist point of view. I was hoping that others would add more. I'm not going to take on the responsibility for dissemination. It's outside my subject area for a start. The fact that I, with only a passing interest in this area, can think of lots of examples is an indication that there is a lot of opposition/critical engagement out there.

If you really are interested in adding your weight to women trying to change things, why not donate to something like 'Women Living Under Muslim Laws'?

It's utterly ridiculous to say that there isn't any critique/opposition out there. That's either ignorance (and why would you be posting if you are so ignorant?) or actual wilful misinformation.

Seriously, I'll say it again: Social media/Mumsnet provides a great opportunity for information exchange.

I'm happy to listen/exchange information.

I meant what I said about the Westminenderz threads being a good template for using SM as an information tool. I was utterly disappointed to see that exchanging information was not, actually, what apple had in mind. Her last post was utterly unsourced/unsubstantiated and contained no information and plenty of actually inaccurate information.

cat the tone of your posts bemuses me. I wasn't debating the exchange of information; as I said, I'm keenly aware of rarified and specialist debate happening at certain levels.

My point was, for the last time because I'm getting bored of making it and have no desire to further hijack the thread, the general public have neither the courage nor the knowledge to debate the subject in the teeth of knee-jerk silencing.

Chakra thank you, exactly what I mean. And those apologists were a total affront to western equality and decency.

I think Apple is right - Islam seems to have become the new sacred cow - other religions and their ideologies can be discussed and criticised in the mainstream, but not Islam.

There is a massive problem here that is being ignored; the Belgians in particular are very good at failing to see they have allowed the establishment of Jihad central in Molenbeek.

scary yes you're right about Belgium. And the Swedes have even gone so far as to ban as illegal anything less than panegyrics about Islam. The Dutch have arrested people for using twitter to criticise Islam.

This interesting article a. Gave me hope I was wrong, and that debate and dissent is happening outside academic or very closed circles and then b. A familiar sinking feeling that it won't be given airtime because it's just not the 'right' sort of people having the 'right' sort of debate.

The silencing continues and the media collusion is becoming sinister. blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/the-football-lads-alliance-is-a-working-class-movement-and-the-political-class-wants-to-ignore-it/

Apple I live in Belgium and it still seems like the problem is being ignored.

I note that there has been no comment on here that I can find about Sally Jones being killed by a drone strike; normally there would be condemnation of Trump for relaxing the rules on such strikes; debates about the ethical implications etc, and yet nothing condemning Sally Jones for her choices. One has to wonder why?

Agreed, not even here in the news section which sometimes contains gems of sedition .

Is it censorship? Disinterest? 'Feminism?'

Off to see who's allowing comment on the story.