Macron and Le Pen go through to run off for French president

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Worrying to have Le Pen as a candidate this far in, but hopefully voters will be switching to Macron.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/24/marine-le-pen-steps-leader-frances-front-national-bid-widen/ if you hadn't already heard. Juncker is doing with Macron what Obama did with Brexit...that might pull a few more votes to Le Pen.

Le Pen did pretty blimming well in all the towns and villages round where I live, too. It's not far from the original FN heartland, but the FN had never got a majority here before.

I have seen and heard so many Mélenchon voters saying they can't bring themselves to vote Macron and will abstain that I'm afraid it may not be as cut and dried as the polls suggest. The Dupont-Aignan supporters will switch to her, and who knows what the deluded voters who went for all the tiny fringe candidates will do.

I wish I'd sent in my citizenship application years ago, as having to do it in a country where 7.5m people vote for Le Pen is a tough one to swallow...

Bobo, and in Meditteranean France, not just the NE.

why do Le Pen voters in the Mediterranean strip not like North Africans a lot of them would have been born in Algeria ?

Le Pen's heartland is in the very run down North East.

And the Mediterranean departements. And there are plenty of fairly prosperous towns in the NE which voted Le Pen. Like brexit and Trump, it's a cultural vote, not an economic one.

why do Le Pen voters in the Mediterranean strip not like North Africans a lot of them would have been born in Algeria?

Former colonists vs the colonised.

You mean that they and their descendants are among the 1.4 million people who were forced to flee Algeria fleeing for their lives from the sort of people they now see blowing themselves up or running people over in trucks. Gosh I can see why they might be a bit miffed. They have gone from being colonists to being refugee's and are now being colonised.

I am hoping for Le Penn.
If she does win, there is little risk because she will be very heavily constrained by the political system and unable to carry out her more extreme programme.

But the Union is rotten to the core. The likes of Junkers need to understand their vision is failing the majority of the population outside the big corporations and big government. It needs the threat of France kicking hard to force it to put its house in order.

They have gone from being colonists to being refugee's

Are you seriously calling French people living in France "refugees" or is it just that you can't spell "racists"?

Pardon Susannah So Le Pen will build a wall across the Midi and the Alpes Maritime to stop the refugees coming in? The Italians are the ones who are taking them in and caring for the majority anyway. There are, sadly, many racists in Fr.

That attitude doesn't seem to improve matters does it?

Misti girl, Since the pied noir and Harki were forced to flee Algeria at gunpoint what would you call them ?. I would say that one point they were refugee's. Now they don't want to be again.

I would say that the Italians need to stop picking them up and caring for them. All Europe's navy's should be stopping the boats towing them back to Libya and destroying them. Since Europe as a political entity refuses to take any action to prevent its own destruction its every one for themselves.

That's an interesting attitude, considering that quite a few terrorists are born in the west. It's like Trump building a wall and banning Muslims. There are still quite a few WHITE AMERICAN LOONIES buying machine guns and gunning down college kids. How are you going to stop that then?

There are more french people killed in traffic accidents every year than in terrorist incidents anyway.

ppeatfruit see below post.

"closing the borders might stop more people coming who will produce more home grown terrorists. If you come from North Africa and have no money and no education where are you going to live. The banlieue. So your kids will grow up in the banlieue with lower educational opportunity's , parents who aren't able to pay for tutors or computer equipment. The children will get poor qualifications and struggle to get any sort of decent job, many of the young men will drift into crime and drugs and get arrested. Once they get arrested they will then get sent to prison where they will be radicalised before being released back into society."

Oh, do we have to be "cool" citizens now regarding terrorism?

I would stop Americans buying machine guns.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/25/france-terrorism-macron-le-pen

I'm old enough to remember the IRA bombs in London, it was horrible but most of us survived, what surprised me then was that you didn't need a passport to go to any part of Ireland.

One's attitude to it is neither here nor there, it's a fact of life as are road accidents.

Banning all the people is not the answer. I'm not a Christian but I still think that we should treat peaceful immigrants as we would wish to be treated if we were coming from such war torn horrifying places. Like we treated the Jewish refugees from Nazism. We weren't exactly welcoming but we did help a lot of people.

We didn't accept Nazi supporting refugees from Germany though did we? That is probably the equivalent of Isis supporters being waved through with the rest.

I see today that Marine Le Pen has resigned as leader of the FN. So she will go into the second round without a party, just like Macron. I will be interested to see how her policies differ from FN.

My posts were off at a tangent there anyway.
It will be a Macron win I presume from all the commentary?

How could we have known? Some of the Jewish people were put in 'enemy alien' camps

Isn't le Pen's niece a leader of a further right party ? Perhaps they'll join up or something.

I see today that Marine Le Pen has resigned as leader of the FN. So she will go into the second round without a party, just like Macron. I will be interested to see how her policies differ from FN.

This is fake news - Le Pen is still a member of the FN (she has just temporarily stepped down from her organisational position) and Macron has a party albeit a fairly new one.

Isn't le Pen's niece a leader of a further right party ? Perhaps they'll join up or something.

Her niece is a party member. Her father, who is a proper holocaust denying fascist, got kicked out - but the presidential campaign was funded by loans from a company controlled by Le Pen Snr.

The FN is a party with a long history of fascism - Marine Le Pen has cleaned it up a little, but only last month an elected official was sacked for holocaust denial. You don't have to scratch very deep to find anti-semitism in the French far right.

I know Macron has a party - En Marche!

So if he wins, he will form a government and appoint a prime minister and then following the elections in June what happens if the right has the majority of MPs? Will he have to dissolve the government and choose people from the right?

On the other hand he will presumably want to appoint his own people, even though they are inexperienced, Not sure how well that will work. I assume whoever holds a majority in the National Assembly won't support him? So what then?