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U.K. 'Quietly' announced it won't be taking anymore unaccompanied child refugees

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Motherofhowmany · 08/02/2017 17:07

Absolutely appalling, we've only resettled 350 of the promised 3000.

I work with some of these children. The things they have seen are horrendous.

www.independent.co.uk/news/only-350-syrian-refugee-children-will-be-allowed-to-settle-in-britain-thousands-less-than-promised-a7569691.html

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Sixisthemagicnumber · 11/02/2017 10:27

In what way doesn't it work head? What are the specific things that concern you?
There are plenty of people who are Born here who have radically different cultures to other people who are born here and it seems to work ok.

Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 10:44

We eat differently for a start! I'm not cooking different meals!
When the prevailing culture becomes different to yours, you go with the majority.

Sixisthemagicnumber · 11/02/2017 11:56

Ah, two of my sons eat differently from the rest of the family because they have life threatening allergies. Cooking differently is no big deal. It isn't a hardship to sometimes eat differently. Do you not ever eat food from different cultures?

Oliversmumsarmy · 11/02/2017 11:57

But sixisthemagicnumber isn't that what I was getting at in the first place. The children make up only a tiny percentage As you said 70% are single males then you say you have single females mothers and children are a small percentage and no complete 2 parent families.

Mrskeats · 11/02/2017 12:03

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Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 12:05

No, we have the same food. It may be no hardship to you, but it would be a bridge too far for me.

Mrskeats · 11/02/2017 12:08

Different cultures. Have you ever lived abroad? Or been to London or Manchester etc. Plenty of different cultures rubbing along just fine.

Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 12:10

I wouldn't be prepared to accommodate different cultural preferences in my house. For example we eat a lot of bacon and pork. I personally would find it a bridge too far to make different meals, although you are welcome to do so. I also wouldn't want to run about after another child. I have my hands full!

Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 12:13

I was talking about my space as in my house, living with us, say as a foster carer. Yes I have lived abroad, and have lived in areas of this country where I am a minority.

Visiting other countries is not quite the same as having someone living with you.

Mrskeats · 11/02/2017 12:14

Good job lots of people in this country who took Jewish children in before World War Two didn't have such qualms head
I despair. Seriously.

Mrskeats · 11/02/2017 12:14

Good job lots of people in this country who took Jewish children in before World War Two didn't have such qualms head
I despair. Seriously.

thisisthereality · 11/02/2017 12:17

head I think you'll be relieved to know that with that sort of attitude it would be highly unlikely you'd ever be approved as a Foster Carer so everyone wins!

Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 12:18

That's up to them. As I say, I have my hands full here. I have no space or capacity to look after other children. I have done other things to help my community when I was well enough so I don't see why you should despair that I do not have capacity to help. It's up to each individual how much or what they are able to give.

Headofthehive55 · 11/02/2017 12:21

Quite. I think it's reasonable to recognise your own limitations or desire to help. It ok to say no!

Werkzallhourz · 11/02/2017 12:27

There are plenty of people who are Born here who have radically different cultures to other people who are born here and it seems to work ok.

Overall, yes, but my region has seen a lot of incidents that should make us all pause for thought.

One kurdish asylum seeker in his mid 20s was brutally attacked and left with serious brain damage because he was perceived to be "anti-Saddam" by the "pro-Saddam" community around him (who incidentally were neither Kurdish nor Arab). We have had running street battles between EU nationals and other migrant communities in some areas.

I think there is a great danger in only seeing the challenges of multiculturalism through white, British, middle-class eyes, and being blind to the faultlines between non-English-origin communities themselves.

cdtaylornats · 11/02/2017 22:51

From what I've read this scheme isn't popular with the French who think it brings children to Calais. Better to keep the scheme that brings the children from the camps in Syria. It avoids the people trafficers and cuts out the risk of crossing the Med.

The other question is where to put them once they are here - if local authorities don't have the places then it simply seems cruel to build up their hopes and then they find out its not thst great.

There is also the downstream effect. Someday Syria might get back to peace are we going to repatriate them or let Syria struggle to rebuild with a lost generation?

Oliversmumsarmy · 11/02/2017 23:02

Mrskeats the Kindertransport was parents putting their children on a train going to safety. Parents trying to save their children. Even if it meant they never saw them again.

What appears to be happening is the young children are getting left behind and the men of the family are making a run for it and leaving their wives and children to their fate.

So far no one has been able to answer my original question which is how many children of the 350 we have supposedly taken in are female?

As six said 70% of those her church deals with are lone young men.

sonlypuppyfat · 12/02/2017 02:04

Exactly oliversmumsarmy none of this bears any resemblance to the Kindertransport, this is a load of young men running from their responsibilities. I don't know any men who would abandoned their families if it was so dangerous

Sixisthemagicnumber · 12/02/2017 08:41

Some of the Info you ask about is here oliversmum
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0002/7887/Asylum_Statistics_May_2013.pdf

It is a few years out of date but in 2011 27% of asylum applications were by women.

Oliversmumsarmy · 12/02/2017 10:13

I am asking about the so called 350 "children" who we took in recently.

From what I can analyse in 2012 only
133 unaccompanied girls came into the country from 1168 unaccompanied children so that is 11% girls as opposed to 89% boys. Seems even with children a tad one sided.

Crumbs1 · 12/02/2017 10:42

Some of the nasty, ill educated comments are more Little Britain than little England. Xenophobic, lacking in compassion and empathy and creating a culture of hatred. I'd much rather a diverse community than a community made up of 'look after ourselves first' brigade.
These are children. Some are 16/17/18/19 but who would want their own child left in a rat infested, cold crime ridden hole that was Sangatte?
The Dubs agreement applied to children who already had family here in UK who wanted to care for them
Why would you turn your back on people (child or otherwise) who desperately needed help because they had fled war or extreme poverty?
We were once so proud of the way we treated refugee children we built a statue at our station. Nicholas Winterton would be hanging his head in shame.
Yes I've fostered (good while ago but still supporting them as adults) and yes, have been to Sangatte to assist with healthcare provision (not often enough but sufficient to have seen desperation).
We need to be building a fairer and more cohesive world not going back to the Rivers of Blood speech.

U.K. 'Quietly' announced it won't be taking anymore unaccompanied child refugees
Sixisthemagicnumber · 12/02/2017 10:48

I do agree that there is a male dominance in the asylum seeker figures oliversmum.

Crumbs1 · 12/02/2017 11:12

There are reasons it is predominantly male - a fear of your daughters not being strong enough, of facing rape and being less employable in a foreign land. The boys are sent to create a safe place, to start earning and to become educated so they can help their families. Sadly, that isn't what happens in reality for them.

Headofthehive55 · 12/02/2017 11:58

crumbs I do hope those comments are not aimed at me. I was discussing why there are not enough foster carers, and therefore perhaps why there is not enough spaces. I don't think it's reasonable to announce that you are ashamed of your country, for not taking in extra children, when you yourself are not. A country is made up of individuals. I really dislike the rhetoric that somebody must do something, and look at others to provide this something, when they might be doing good elsewhere, equally beneficial to society in general.

Headofthehive55 · 12/02/2017 11:59

crumbs I do hope those comments are not aimed at me. I was discussing why there are not enough foster carers, and therefore perhaps why there is not enough spaces. I don't think it's reasonable to announce that you are ashamed of your country, for not taking in extra children, when you yourself are not. A country is made up of individuals. I really dislike the rhetoric that somebody must do something, and look at others to provide this something, when they might be doing good elsewhere, equally beneficial to society in general.