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John Reid says smoking is one of the few pleasures affordable to the working class

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Tinker · 09/06/2004 16:59

John Reid on the working class and smoking

Don't normally like John Reid but can't help feeling he's been quite human with this comment.

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Tinker · 11/06/2004 10:06

Not saying it's a cheap habit but not everyone smoke packs of 20 bought at the local newsagent. Lots of people smoke roll-ups and smuggled/bootleg fags.

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sweetkitty · 11/06/2004 16:21

I agree totally but £4 a day = nearly £30 a week and surely that could be better spent on a nice day out with the kids.

When DD is born we are going to have so many issues as MIL will not stop smoking in front of her.

LilacHamster · 14/06/2004 18:30

I think John Reid was basically very irresponsible to use the words pleasure and smoking in the same sentence, it's addiction to nicotine that makes ppl keep on smoking, not pleasure, and in my opinion calling such a nasty deadly drug addiction a pleasure is so trivialising the whole issue, it makes it out to be a relatively harmless choice when most smokers want to quit but have to struggle to do so. Would he say the same about heroin? I doubt he would dare trivialise that but it's the same really, in fact cigarettes are actually worse as they affect others around the smoker, we are all made to take in the poisons into our bodies involuntarily. No way can inhaling smoke be a pleasure, it's just vile! I think he should be sacked for trivialising a serious drug addiction, regardless of whether it is mostly the working classes who smoke or not.

As for me I have a severe chemically sensitivity to cigarette smoke and because it is allowed outside everywhere even in the local kiddies playground in the park where some parents do smoke (they have no shame some people). I can barely cope outside, especially in the shopping street when so many ppl are smoking there, I always come home coughing and wheezing and suffering a headache and sore throat, this is just from the level of second-hand smoke outdoors. This has come about most likely because I had to endure a childhood of being around smoke from my mother and she is still in denial about the level of damage she has done to me. Smoking around kids is quite simply child abuse, I am just one example of living proof of this. There are others, here is someone I heard of recently, even worse affected than I have been: www.notperfume.com

My sensitivity to smoke got markedly worse in my third pregnancy so I think my youngest child might be at risk of suffering from the same condition even though my mother is of course not allowed to smoke around her grandchildren, and we don't see much of her.

When we went on holiday to Blackpool, a very smoky town, I was ill with a sore throat and breathing problems all week and my youngest was very sniffly, more so than she has ever been with an ordinary cold so I am convinced the smoky air affected her too. We did not have colds, I can tell the difference between a cold and a smoke sensitivity reaction, the effect of second-hand smoke is far more acute but shorter lived (just a couple of hours sometimes)!

Hulababy · 14/06/2004 18:46

JUst being doing some research on this and in a recent paper - PDF file - it states:

There is a strong association between cigarette smoking and socio-economic position. Around
one-third of adults in manual households in the UK smoke compared to around one-fifth in
non-manual households.

In England, targets for smoking rates in adults, children, pregnant women and manual groups
have been set for 2005 and 2010. It is unclear if the target for adults will be met. The targets
for children and pregnant women are likely to be met but the latest smoking figures indicate
little progress towards the target for manual groups.

There is considerable support among the British public for much greater restrictions on smoking
in public places. Over 85% of adults agree smoking should be restricted in restaurants, work
and other public places.

And lots more of interesting statistics related to smoking.

I personally would love to see a smoking ban in public areas. I accept pubs and clubs are going to be smoking zones, but restaurants and cafes, and anywhere that acceots children should not allow it. IMO breathing someone elses smoke is not only damaging to mine (and my family's health) but also ruins a meal As for parking in children's play grounds and play centres - mmm, what can I say!!!

Northerner · 16/06/2004 14:08

Lilachamster, I think you'll find that if you ask any smoker if smoking is pleasurable the answer will be Yes. You say people smoke because of the addiction to niccotine, but it is the pleasure that leads to the addiction. I'm sorry you suffer badly from the effects of smoke, however IMO smoking should not be banned in all public places. Yes, ban in in restaurants cafes etc, and places where children are in presence but surely people who go to pub/clubs expect to smoke and should be allowed to if they wish.

If banned in all public places I think it will be so hard to police.

tabitha · 16/06/2004 14:34

Personally, I think John Reid's comments were realistic rather than patronising. For many people smoking is one of their few affordable (and I use the word loosely) pleasures.
What is more patronising is for someone who has no real idea of what another individual's (whether working class or not) life is like deciding that they should give up 'for their own good'.
Most smokers know now what the risks are but became addicted at a very young age, when they probably didn't know any better. It's all very well saying that, unlike our parents generation, we know what smoking does to us but what 12 or 13 year old trying to be 'cool' and 'grown up' thinks that in 30, 40 or 50 years time they are going to die of lung cancer.
Imo the real baddies here are the cigarette companies.
As for banning smoking in public places, if the government had any real bottle they would make smoking illegal full stop. Until then I don't see how they can ban a perfectly legal activity in a public place.

Cam · 19/06/2004 12:47

I still think that no government minister should "defend" or "promote" smoking in any way. It's simply the wrong message.

oxocube · 19/06/2004 19:56

Tabitha, as the U.K. government makes on average £4 billion per year and the cost to the NHS in treating 'smoking related diseases is approx £1 billion, it is very unlikely that the government will make smoking illegal. Where does the extra £3 billion go? Who are the hypocrites?

skerriesmum · 19/06/2004 20:43

I live in Ireland and since the introduction of no smoking in ANY public place there has been over 90% compliance and very few problems... the only small annoyance is all the fag butts lying on the footpaths, my ds loves to put them in his mouth

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