We're will they live

[pleasemothermay1]

When we talk about the refugee child with an adult coming to the uk the left can never seem to answer the question

If they come were will the live

We have a shortage of 8000 foster carers so we would need 8000 just to stand still with children already in the uk care system

We don't have children home in the old sence anymore children under 11 certainly can't live in them they are usually 5 or 6 room homes and most local boroughs have 1 or 2 and most have waiting lists

They talk about children joing existing family
they would have to be vetted in the same way any kinship foster carer and it's unlikely most of these family would pass the assment

All these lefties usually pipe up I will take the poor kiddies in
my question would be if your keen to look after children who are in the care system why are you not a foster carer already

That's all really just sick of the usually leftie rubbish with out the piratical thoughts about were these children can live and this is not your usual issue about money there are x amount of foster carers in each LA and they have x amount of rooms spare

Most people don't even consider things like most La will require you to leave your job in order to foster and there has to be a room for each child so there is no shoving a sibling group of 4 in with one foster carer in her spare room

I've applied to become a foster parent a few times and always been turned down for utterly stupid reasons. (Once because we were having some work done in the loft so the loft ladder was down.)

pleasemothermayI what's your solution, then? Where would you suggest they live?

And what would you like other countries to do if the UK was hit by war or a natural disaster, and became essentially unliveable-in? Where do you think you and your kids should go?

Perfect point, Archery - what if the shoe was on the other foot?

Do you honestly think that most refugees can't wait to escape their homeland, family history and cultural heritage? I bet if they weren't at severe risk of being killed every bloody day, either by their own governments or other countries, they would much prefer to stay at home in familiar territory.

I suggest that al the very least the countries were they are fulfill there obligations under the international law and take in pre school children at the very least

However older children is a more tricky wicket

We have inadaquite system for verifying the ages of older teens witch presents its own issues
Even the idea of them joing existing family is tricky as the said family will have to be assed as kinship foster carers

No easy answers but just shouting

Shame on you let them in is not a answer the child protection stystem is very complicated.
However

You are not being kind to someone inviting them to be homeless in the uk
As is currently happening in Germany I have been sick what has been happened in Germany and would be keen not to over play our hand like them were young people are stuffed in old gyms , hospitals Ect with no support services and no adult supervision to speak of

The trouble is that children currently going through our care system have the worst outcomes of all DC in the UK.

The levels of homelessness, criminality, MH problems, teen pregnancy, suicide, substance abuse, sexual exploitation are all seriously problematic.

And these children have received the 'best' of what the UK care system has to offer.

Imagine the outcomes for DC receiving the second rate version of that system.

It would be the antithesis of safe or stable.

poster KP86 W

So we bring say 30 thousand children over tomorrow and Thursday they sleep ............

Most London la will not have a bed going spare
Sibling can't share a room
Most fosters carers have on avarge 1-2 spare rooms
We have virtually no Muslim FC in the uk

If we do the make shit children's home route stuff them in a disused hospital who will staff this you can't just have randoms in children's home and you need a little bit more than a dbs these days so who will staff this

Clearly if these were all this staff knocking about current children's homes would be fully staffed

And we're would the extra sw come from we currently have alamning vacncey and I very much doubt any la have sw to spare

poster QuestionableMouse

Building work is classed as a major event

Moving house, building work , getting married a death all major events that's can bring in stress I nearly had. Break down when my kitchen was getting done

The other thing that really anyyoned me was people
Saying well we housed lots of children during the war evacuees

People like to omit is that none of the adults were vetted like they would have been today and lot of the children were badly abused

the other thing people forget is in long term FC the children must be ethnically and or culturally matched good luck finding a large amount of Muslim FC if you find any please let ss know as there has been a lack of BME foster carers for about 8 years

i thought there was a shortage of foster families , so where will these extra's be magicked from?
where will the funds come from?
who will pay?

poster Samcro Wed 27-Jul-16 11:23:32

The number is 8000 and that would be just to stand sill

It's astounding that people would have these refugee children living in conditions we would not find expectable for uk children

Get a haircut makes a brilliant point. Care outcomes at present are appalling. What can we actually offer traumatised orphans? Food and a bed are absolutely not enough, and would create a time bomb of angry, disaffected youth.

No it wasn't major work. We were having a radiator fitted and had a clear end date but were still told we weren't suitable.

I think there's something to be said for another look at the barriers to foster care.

And as I said, I see nothing wrong with professional foster carers being paid well, especially those who are highly skilled and can look after the most difficult to place.

But the truth is the vast vast majority of people don't want to do it.

The trouble is that children currently going through our care system have the worst outcomes of all DC in the UK

Its shameful and a national disgrace. Isn't that dodgy company G4 in control of them now?

Its a ghastly situation it seems children in children's homes have always been at tremendous risk from staff and outsiders.
No i wouldn't want to put children from a totally different environment in them.

If we can keep the children as close to their homes as we can, among their own community the better to carry on living as close to their own culture as possible. I saw a brilliant program about the refugee camp in Jordon and it look far better than most grim run down parts of the UK which is where they would end up, in cheap housing.

I feel very strongly we need to support the camps out there, build more, keep improving them.

You wouldn't believe the ridiculous reasons they turn people down

They turned us down the first time after an 18 month process because I was having counselling

As a compulsory part of my training to be a psychotherapist

When we said we were going to complain we were allowed to go to panel to persuade them. Panel was full of entirely normal people who thought this was the stupidest thing they've ever heard.

I also came across someone who was turned down as she was 'trying to replace a baby' from a miscarriage 10 years earlier - and she'd put down to only foster teenagers as she was a youth worker. Again, panel said it was completely ridiculous.

And a third where the male foster carer was 'too violent' for no reason at all other than he was a police officer.

A fourth as they were 'too wealthy' - social worker was actually reprimanded for this.

The reasons some people are turned down are crazy - and the process is out in the open so the social worker doesn't have reasons they can't disclose.

Most people once they've been turned down quite rightly don't complain as they don't want to look difficult - the department head said they wanted people to persevere as 'it showed they were committed' - totally ridiculous

The things those poor children have seen the level of emotional support needed let alone the physical help. Yes we should help them but we certainly can't just put them anyway. There needs to be funding a lot of it. Like you say it's not there for existing uk children in care let alone the additional complex issues these poor children come with

What should happen to these poor children then? Should they be left in the war zones?

I don't know the answer but I do know we have to find one and that we have to fulfil our responsibilities. The money and space can be found if we want to. I would be happy to pay higher taxes to fund better public services, including services for refugees.

I think we should concentrate on proper camps near syria etc for them, like the one I saw.

Chew, is it acceptable to dump these traumatized children in a system that actually cannot deal with our own traumatised dc?

We pay huge amounts to the camps near syria and we need to continue with this. These camps are nothing like what we see at Calais or other areas across EU. They are clean, they have shops, supermarkets, life is going on as best it can, great medial centers, hospitals...its very orderly with low crime. And above all there is community.

pleasemothermay1

There are a number of children (I think about 100) in the Calais jungle whop already have relatives here in the UK, the answer to your question is with their relatives.

Probably in a bedroom in a B and B with another child or two.

Children cannot just be placed with someone who is or claims to be their relative.

That is the case for children already resident in the UK and for children arriving. Lessons have been learned the hard way on that one ie that not all people putting themselves forward for kinship care are remotely capable, doing so with the right intentions etc.

Just what I was about to say that relatives

Or kinship foster carers have to go through the same process as all other foster carers.

And actually the government are currently restricting sgo as they are the most unsafe form of care a number of children have died in the hand of relatives

Again just saying well they can live with relatives in a b&b shows many people don't understand the care system at all and are rather naive in what is allowed

For example you have to have a spare room for every child his likely is a Somone who's only just arrived recently themselves to have a spare room for a unacompied minor relative
and the process an take a year or more relative or not we're do the live in the mean time

*we fostered a little girl who was 2 when we were It took 3 years for the court to make up there mind she could live with dad whom she new and had been visiting her regularly since birth let alone some random uncle

corambaaf.org.uk/info/kinship-care-and-special-guardianship

They also get less than foster carers but would still be expected to give up work

please there have been a number of high profile kinship care cases where the child died/was seriously abused.

Plus many less known cases where the relatives turned out to be nothing of the sort.

There is no point having investigations/inquiries if we're just going to abandon the lessons that have been learned.

If these children come they have to be subject to the same safeguarding we attempt to give children already resident.

We can't be up in arms about child exploitation cases that hit the news then in the next breath say 'but we won't worry about placing refugee children in the same situation'.

Totally agree I think to be fair many just don't know how water tight the regulation is in regards to child protection
I think a lot of people watch Tracey Becker and thinks that's whT care lid likey there
Many people think for example social workers have the power to remove children
only a warranted police officer can remove a child from there parents with a valid court order
Or that we lack foster carers due to money it's one of those jobs sadly people just don't want to do.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/388701/Childrens_Homes_data_pack_Dec_2014.pdf

Today the majority of homes are small, often four- or six-bed residences. According to the Department for Education (DfE), about 15% of children in the care system will have spent some time in a residential setting. The number of children living in homes, hostels or secure accommodation at any one time is 6,360 – about 9% of the total number looked after. In 1978 that figure was 32%.
The average age of a child in a children home is 14.