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Ruth kelly send her child to private school because of SN

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PeachyClair · 08/01/2007 11:53

part story here

Now I haev no problems with private schools as such, just seems this woman is partlyr esponsible for completely effing up the chances of SN kids (such as mine) in mainstream, then she opts out.

Most parentscaring for sn kids don't have £15k a year to make that decision.

Wonder if she realised what she was planning when she was the Minister? Coz that would explain the state of Sn in aminstream schools frankly.

And on the same day I geta letter stating mys ion can't have any occupational therapy because his Teacher ahsn't had the time to fill in the forms by their deadline.

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Blu · 09/01/2007 15:16

Socci - and she should admit that it doesn't work.
Since she was at one time responsible for it.
And use her undoubted influence power, and now experience, to address the real reasons that she has had to do this.

Aloha · 09/01/2007 15:16

I have to say, there is no way on earth the state system could provide anything to rival this school! It's like expecting council houses to be like Sandringham.

Socci · 09/01/2007 15:24

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ScummyMummy · 09/01/2007 15:30

I think Ruth Kelly and Mr Kelly have just done what we all do and looked deep inside themselves and said what is right for our child and what ways are open to us to get that for him. They are victims of their values and culture and class and education, granted- aren't we all?- and she does look like a hypocrite, granted, but 1) taking the flak for hypocrisy is quite brave really and 2)she's just being a parent really imo and I think some of the personal vitriol against her is, um, not very nice. [wet blanket emoticon]

I cannot imagine making the same decision as her because I personally would be more horrified at the idea of my kids attending a school such as the one described than at the prospect of them not learning to read too well. But I know that is a minority view. I think private schools are broadly a no no for me and mine(and that ones that specialise in getting children into public schools are all the less attractive to a chippy inverted snob, such as I, frankly). I think that not being separated from your siblings, friends and parents at age 9 is often as important as learning to read well for self esteem and well being. I also don't have £15,000 p.a. since I'm one of those underachieving types Xenia mentions, and that's just for starters. So I doubt I would approach a dyslexia diagnosis from quite the same perspective as the Kellys, tbh. But then again, as people here have said, provision can be poor. Schools vary in how they well they deal with it and dyslexia barely registers on local authority SEN radar unless it is comorbid with other needs or extremely severe or (often to the fury of LEA workers who see much more severely disabled children get sweet f a on a regular basis) if more privileged/articulate/determined parents kick up a mega stink, as i would do in their situation, probably. The SEN system is ridiculously adversarial and unfair as any fule no.

I suspect that principles and seemingly entrenched life views perfidiously desert us be when it comes to genuine worries about our children's wellbeing and what is good enough for them. So if I was to somehow become genuinely convinced that only X school could meet the needs of one or both of my kids I expect I'd try my hardest to do whatever it took and use whatever I could use to get them there, up to and including take the consequences of being villified in the press and looking like a complete hypocrite if necessary. I think my views and situation in certain respects are different enough from the Kellys' to make this scenario highly unlikely in my own case but that is not the point. Yes, I personally disagree with everything she is doing but I also think she is being a brilliant parent because she genuinely (erroneously!) believes this is the right thing for her boy and is prepared to make considerable personal, emotional and possibly even political sacrifices to achieve that for him. That's love, really, imo. She may be misguided, the system may be shite, it's clearly bloody unfair that other possibly misguided people who like this sort of school don't have the money to send their equally beloved children there. But she's still being a good parent for all that if she thinks it is the right thing to do and I can't imagine why else she would put herself through all this, frankly.

Agree with frogs and aloha about the spin stuff though. Probably the press people doing their darndest to make things look less bleak.

Blu · 09/01/2007 15:50

I have no doubts she is being a good parent.

It's her politician's hat that has gone cockeyed!

All her other children have been state educated.

And I think I was the only person who made nasty personal comments - which were quite rightly challenged!

ruty · 09/01/2007 15:59

i honestly think she should step down. An unbelievable hypocrisy.

foxinsocks · 09/01/2007 16:00

I have no doubt that what she's doing is in the best interests of her son.

However, brave she isn't. It would have been brave to tell everyone before the papers got hold of the story (if she thinks this could be kept private then she's very naive). Brave would have been acknowledging that special needs provision in this country isn't working everywhere and vowing to make a difference.

ScummyMummy · 09/01/2007 16:06

I hadn't seen your personal comments blu! @ bad thread skimming. I just think that the general perception of her as "loathsome' (used on this thread) is quite widespread, definitely clolours people's responses to her and is a tad unfair...

I think she has laid herself wide open to charges of complete hypocrisy but paradoxically this makes me admire her slightly more- to be prepared to reveal oneself as a complete hypocrite for the perceived benefit of one's child is at the very least extremely brave. I suppose she could resign but is what she does now relevant enough to resign from in these circs?

ruty · 09/01/2007 16:23

how can showing every body explicitly that she doesn't believe the state system will serve her child adequately, but forcing other parents who can't afford it to put their children into the same system, which she is responsible for, be brave? How can creating an inadequate system and then making sure her child will not be a victim of it be brave? Sorry but i don't understand the logic.

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 16:38

Actually if she's really really into Catholicism and even a member of Opus Dei (people speculate if she wears the metal leg band that bites into your thigh to cause pain etc...) then should she be considering non catholic schools at all? Doesn't God come first?

It looks like a school for boys with a high IQ but with dyslexia and they then get them into Harrow, Wellington etc - those not quite academically highest ones which is probably the right sort of on going school for a boy with dyslexia but who is otherwise reasonably clever.

"Parents wishing their son to visit the School for an informal interview and assessment should contact the School Secretary, through whom all enquiries are made. Relevant academic and psychological reports should be presented. Evidence of talent or promise in such areas as music, art or sport is also welcomed.

Entry is of necessity selective. Pupils must show that they have the innate intelligence to manage the demanding academic routine for which they will ultimately be heading, and that they are equipped to cope with the teaching programme and School routine, as evidenced by a recent Educational Psychologist's Assessment. This Assessment, which is required for every prospective pupil, must have been conducted within the last six months by an Educational Psychologist known to the School (or by the School's own Educational Psychologist, Mr. Peter Gilchrist), and must give full details of the pupil's abilities and difficulties in learning, and current attainments in spelling, writing and numeracy. Arrangements will be made for those pupils wishing to be considered for entry to meet with, and have their current Assessment reviewed by, the School's own Educational Psychologist. Unless a further full or partial Assessment is required, there will be no charge for this review."

filthymindedvixen · 09/01/2007 17:03

I'm not sure how even a specialist prep school for dyslexics is actually very helpful, if the children are then expected to cope subsequently at a 'normal' school. As far as i know, there is no 'cure' for dyslexia. (my mother taught adults with specific learning difficulties) and though coping strategies can be taught, I would have thought the absolute best solution for a dyslexic child would be specialist secondary education.

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 17:07

May depend on the extent of the dyslexia. The two very dyslexic people I know can read okay but spell extremely badly but got through A levels and good degrees at Oxbridge supposedly because of help at prep schools like this. I don't know what support they tehn got at say Millfield.

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 17:09

Just checked from Millfield web site - also interesting Ruth Kelly went there (and dyslexia I think is partly inherited??)

"Millfield prides itself in bringing out the best in everyone. With small class sizes and talented, enthusiastic teachers, pupils can be ensured of ongoing support in the classroom. However, there are times when additional support is necessary. The award-winning library is open throughout the School week and is an invaluable resource for all age groups. ICT is increasingly incorporated in all subjects to enhance learning.

The School has a well-deserved reputation for being non-selective, and accepts students with a wide range of abilities, including those with learning difficulties. The Language Development Unit assists students with a variety of learning abilities, including dyslexia."

filthymindedvixen · 09/01/2007 17:12

I may start doing the lottery [wistful smile]
Our local state options include a Tower Hamlets style comp where kids who are failing at entry level, continue failing, or a fiercely academic faux Grammar School, where learning difficulties DO NOT exist!

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 17:19

Millfield's fees are about £20k a year. There are quite a few scholarships. I suppose people have to think what can I do that earns a lot of money etc... it is not impossible - marry a rich man was the classic way for women. Some women have set up web sites like friendsreunited.com or businesses like the White Company.

Socci · 09/01/2007 17:20

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uwila · 09/01/2007 17:25

Xenia,
This quote sounds as though you think people with dyslexia are generally challenged in the IQ department. I think truth is that people with dyslexia tend to have above average to genius intelligence. I used to know someone who taught children with learning disabilities, and she told me this. I am no expert myself, although I do have a brother who is dyslexic, and very very bright. The man can barely spell a two syllable word. But he can read fine and he's a brilliant engineer.

"It looks like a school for boys with a high IQ but with dyslexia and they then get them into Harrow, Wellington etc - those not quite academically highest ones which is probably the right sort of on going school for a boy with dyslexia but who is otherwise reasonably clever."

Lorina · 09/01/2007 17:26

socci if you dont think the minister for education can change things then I am at a loss to imagine who can.....

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 17:35

True, u, but I thought they might at 13 have more difficulty passing the common entrance exams if they have dyslexia so despite being bright their papers at 13 probably don't appear at the standard of the boys getting into Eton, that's all I meant. My eldest daughter is a bit dyslexic and bright. She got good A levels and a 2/1 in her degree but last night filling in a job application she asked me how to check the spelling of "Agreement".

There will also be children who aren't clever with dyslexia too and some with a range of other problems in addition.

swedishmum · 09/01/2007 17:35

May apply for ds - he'd love it. Perhaps I could send an open application through the Daily Mail asking our local council for funding??

Judy1234 · 09/01/2007 17:37

Try. Publicity can work or you might even get a private donor stepping in.

Aloha · 09/01/2007 17:44

I think if her LEA DID pay for RK's son to go to this school, it would provoke revolution! I would be up front knitting as her head was laid on the block!

ruty · 09/01/2007 17:52

thing is socci, i would like to think that she had a special empathy with parents of dyslexic children, and would dedicate herself to improvign the state system so that it serves them and other special needs children much better. Instead she gives us the usual rhetoric about the state system being really good at the moment and then takes her child out of it. P*iss poor if you ask me.

ruty · 09/01/2007 17:52

I mean P*ss poor!

filthymindedvixen · 09/01/2007 18:11

ruty - exactly why I am angry.
I mean, dyslexia is very common, if schools can't help dyslexic kids, that's a large proportion of children being failed by the state education system.

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