Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

[januarybrown1998]

part 6

part 5

part 4

part 3

part 2

part 1

The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.


We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

[SonyaAtTheSamovar]

Sorry to confuse you emily.

It is English idiom.

[SonyaAtTheSamovar]

It's meaning is not what you take it to mean.

[Cellardoor1]

Yes, emily the police need to have the same approach to crime regardless of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In this case they have acknowledged that their failure to stop these attacks and their attempt to cover it up was due to not wanting to be seen as targeting one particular minority group and not wanting to stir up tensions against refugees. This needs to change.

[Roonerspism]

Still following. Thanks for keeping the thread alive.

I have no idea why Cameron has been lambasted for his English language lessons proposal. Not least as there is a strong link between the educational attainment of mothers and the attainment of their offspring. It's no good for anyone to have scores of women unable to speak the language of the country in which they live and their children are being educated.

[polentapies]

I love the idiom

[polentapies]

Heavens!

[emilybohemia]

Where did they acknowedge that, Cellar? Do you have a quote?

[MariscallRoad]

RomComPhooey Such massive attacks would require large police resources to control. This is one thing one can ask in a petition "what is the preparedness of police for such large attacks on women".

[polentapies]

Don't quote it, She'll have it deleted

[MariscallRoad]

www.wsj.com/articles/angela-merkel-describes-cologne-sexual-assaults-as-intolerable-1452177202

[fourmummy]

I really think you should ask for crimes against women like this to be recorded as hate crimes in the same way they are when perpetrated against other minorities. You would then be asking for some concrete change, not just that they talk about something This is a pretty good idea. It's a concrete demand and is a good one. There is some evidence that this is indeed a hate crime. I'll post link in next message.

[fourmummy]

Hate crime?

www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/19/salafist-cologne-imam-at-terror-mosque-girls-were-raped-because-they-were-half-naked-and-wore-perfume/

[captainproton]

Fourmummy I was just about to post that link.

Scary reading.

[fourmummy]

Asking for this to be treated as a hate crime will achieve the following:

1. given how unlikely assaults such as these are likely to be prosecuted, this might move things on in the right direction so that at least some kind of legal process takes place
   
2. we know it is unlikely to happen but is a tangible demand to focus the public on
   
3. 1 and 2 combined might even get it to debate (thus keeping up the pressure)

[fourmummy]

In fact, the more I think about it, the more we need to turn this situation on its head. Given that current laws seem inadequate to prosecute this crime, the govt needs to consider new legislation given that they are not prepared to guarantee women's safety in the future as asked for in the last petition thus admitting that this crime is a future possibility here in the UK

[VertigoNun]

It suits those who hate women to have women ask for a hate crime against women. I am not fool enough to ask for it, go ahead if you want to be manipulated by new posters and their agenda.

[EasterRobin]

I can submit or be one of the other five, if I agree 100% with the demand. I think it's unrealistic to look for a volunteer until the new demand is agreed.

The hate crime idea initially sounds good to me (without having researched this yet). Either classing misogyny as a hate crime, or classing group sexual assault as a hate crime.

[EasterRobin]

Cross-post vertigo. What's the problem with it being a hate crime?

[fourmummy]

As things stand at the moment, current legislation is inadequate to prosecute anybody for this. Feminists have long argued that rape laws are inadequate because of the focus on sex and rape is about anything but sex

I am not especially wedded to the hate crime idea. Are there any legals here who can advise re askingvfor adequate new legislation for this act that will benefit women more than current rape laws do?

[VertigoNun]

I won't sign anything asking for a hate crime and will fight UKIP far right misogynistic men who ask for it.

[VertigoNun]

It suits opression control freaks to manipulate this for their own agenda. I am OUT! If you include hate crime.

[fourmummy]

Vertigo - what do you suggest? Hate crime is not great either. Is there anything else? Any other wording that is direct, concrete and tangible?

[VertigoNun]

I want the police to stop sex crimes and prosecute. I want the press to report with correct crime figures, descriptions of tge crimes/perpetrators and stop victim blaming.

[fourmummy]

Thinking further, petition can ask for:

• amend current rape laws
  
• change actual wording to hate crime or something else
  
• teach cultural attitudes to recent arrivals, which taps into the current mood but which is stupid in this context because it implies that men are confused or somehow unaware
  
• debate and enforce measures
  

Any more ideas? I'm gearing up for the day and won't sign in until tonight.

[VertigoNun]

Current laws are ok. They need to be enforced and police not be scared like Rotherham/Oxford/Rochdale police being called racist for arresting rapists.