Bombing Syria - could somebody explain the argument for?

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Just that really. All I've heard from Cameron is "I am fully convinced about the argument for strikes against Syria" which isn't a very strong argument.

'but will the Western populations accept this?'

I think so.

'Even the most ardent supporters of liberalism will balk at these eventually, won't they?'

Do you mean Tony Blair and the gang? I doubt it, I think they will beat the war drums as usual.

The only real opposition will be Corbyn (who is laughed at and alone) and some of the Eastern European countries, such as Hungary, who are more right wing than the rest of Europe. Of course, if Le Pen wins the French Presidency, then everything changes and the real elephant in the room is what happens in the States. If Trump 2016 is successful, all bets are off, the entire world will change, and lots of policies will change.

If Trump wins in 2016, "rien ne va plus" will never be more true.

Saudi Arabia who is one of our best allies on the planet by the looks of it in what way?

'in what way?'

In every which way but loose by the look of it. They buy our weapons and invest in London and the stock market, and we turn a blind eye to some of their human rights abuses and recoomend them for a seat on the UN human rights council.

"Britain conducted secret vote-trading deals with Saudi Arabia to ensure both states were elected to the UN human rights council (UNHRC), according to leaked diplomatic cables."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/29/uk-and-saudi-arabia-in-secret-deal-over-human-rights-council-place

You can see the beginnings of the Europe-wide right wing response to recent events BUT equally, I can see how populations can be slowly desensitised to what may have been thought of previously as abhorrent acts. Is that what you mean when you think that Western populations will accept this? We now have the internet AND the beginnings of an Islamic reform in the ME (possibly - not convinced about this although much writing on it atm). I have no idea if here's any mileage in these concepts but regardless, Trump won't win because he's a set up... as you know :) Agree it's nice to dream of a different 'world order' but Trump is not your man for this.

'Is that what you mean when you think that Western populations will accept this?'

No, I think the population watches the football and the soaps and Strictly and the cookery programmes and the politicians get on with business as usual i.e. making a laughing stock out of Corbyn.

'it's nice to dream of a different 'world order' but Trump is not your man for this'

Millions of Republican voters in the US hope that is not true. They want to "clean house". We don't know what will happen, we can only wait and see.

In every which way but loose by the look of it. yes, I agree. I misunderstood your sentence. My fault.

I don't understand the backlash against Corbyn and his decent proposal when we have a slimy bastard like Cameron snogging the arse of Saudi prince Riyadh and getting him the human rights council gig.

WTAF is up with that?

He will go with a deceased pig, nothing surprising about Dave and his exploits anymore.

The argument for it is more weapons sales.

we should come to an arrangement where the Syrian Army's ground troops are allowed to do the job with the backing of all the major powers. Then Isis will be finished within weeks

But who are they going to also finish off, they are still barrel bombing their own people who are not isis.

how is anyone left in syria to kill anymore?

Claig- Lots of analysts reference a New York Times piece by Robin Wright about reshaping the Middle East. Lots of players will benefit from a bust up of the Middle East, the end of Sykes-Picot and new statelets ruled more on ethnic/religious lines rather than the current secular/multicultural type lines of today. Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc all stand to gain influence and so do other players Thanks for this explanation, Claig. Presumably, the destabilisation of Europe could be predicted. How does the EU fit in all of this (Sutherland's pronouncements, pushing for Turkey to join, refugee crisis, pan-European army, destabilisation of nationalism)? Who benefits? I can't see who'd be interested in Europe (not US, not SA) so what's the motivation?

'Who benefits? '

The elite and their global government, global climate change emission plans.

'I can't see who'd be interested in Europe (not US, not SA) so what's the motivation?'

Puppets can't do anything about it. That's why they all oppose Farage or Trump, the advocates of national sovereignty as opposed to EU and UN global governance.

"EU pays €3bn to Turkey in exchange for help on dealing with European migration"

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-eu-pays-3bn-to-turkey-in-exchange-for-help-on-dealing-with-european-migration-a6753861.html

So the EU leaders use EU taxpayer money to pay Turkey and talk about opening talks for fast-tracking Turkey into the EU when they arrest journalists for criticising the regime, allegedly turn a blind eye to the resupply and buying of oil from the London DJ Jihadis who threaten us from Syria, and whose destabilisation of Syria means that the Syrian refugees left the Tirkish camps and came to Europe, and the liberties of 450 million Europeans have to be diminished because no one wants to send ground troops into Syria to sort the London Jihadis out.

I don't get it.

And Assad is to blame for the whole thing, the London DJ Jihadis, the whole nine yards. And "Assad must go". That bit, I understand.

"Hague: Assad regime 'bears direct responsibility' for rise of Isis"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28036470

"We can WIPE evil ISIS off the map in 14 DAYS: British generals bullish message to Cameron

A FULL-SCALE ground offensive in Syria using tanks and infantry would wipe Islamic State off the map in less than three weeks, according to senior generals."

www.express.co.uk/news/world/621154/Islamic-State-British-generals-14-days-David-Cameron-terror

And yet, the liberties of 450 million European people are likely to be diminished, Paris is under a state of emergency, our NATO ally, Turkey, put us all on the brink of WW3 by shooting down a Russian plane, Hollande says France is at war with Isis and no one listens to the generals and sends ground troops in to finish the disaffected Jihadis and DJs from London, Brussels, Riyadh and Libya out.

And yet, the liberties of 450 million European people are likely to be diminished, Paris is under a state of emergency, our NATO ally, Turkey, put us all on the brink of WW3 by shooting down a Russian plane, Hollande says France is at war with Isis and no one listens to the generals and sends ground troops in to finish the disaffected Jihadis and DJs from London, Brussels, Riyadh and Libya out.
I don't get it. Nor do I. Every day, DH and I say to each other "Nothing makes sense. Something's going on. Nothing is as it should be. Night is day and black is white. What is the plan?".

Who are the billionaires? Obviously, Clintons, Erdogan & Son, Putin, Obama will be... all accumulated through absorbing taxpayer money for their foundations and charities ("This consultancy work will cost you 100 million. OK, no problem", "This climate change enterprise will cost 300 million. Great. Many thanks"). Is there anyone above them/anyone else?

I don't think it is that lot, they are much lower down the ladder than the real elite. They are often used as puppets and played off against each other in order to move events in the direction the real elite want. Saddam was a billionaire but that doesn't count for much. I have no idea who the real elite are, they aren't the faces on TV.

"EU pays €3bn to Turkey in exchange for help on dealing with European migration" Does have a sense of urgency about it. One eye to the Brexit referendum (and rise of nationalism in other countries)?

Bilderberg, Soros, et al.? Anti-democratic. Don't care where the population compliance comes from (a political system, religion, something else) as long as population are not interested in practising democracy and do as they are told.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11659892/Bilderberg-members-2015-Whos-going-to-this-years-secret-summit.html

One of the Bilderberg participants en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps What's with the logo?

What is the end game piece in this war game? Have they someone in mind to lead the Muslim region like an EU type leader?

I would like to know how we can afford to go to war??? Cameron is making cutbacks here there and everywhere, it costs millions upon millions to go to war, so what is Cameron trying to do, make all us people suffer even more cutbacks to fund a war other people are already fighting?